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All this abortion talk made me think. How about...
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:53 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:53 am
A "right to die". How does tRant crew feel about this?
The right to die is supported and rejected by many. Arguments for this right include:
If one had a right to live, then one must have the right to die, both on their terms.
Death is a natural process of life thus there should not be any laws to prevent it if the patient seeks to end it.
What we do at the end of our lives should not be of concern to others.
If euthanasia is strictly controlled, we can avoid entering a slippery slope and prevent patients from seeking alternative methods which may not be legal.
Arguments against include:
It can lead to a slippery slope; if we allow patients this right, it can expand and have dire consequences.
Give rise in pressuring those to end their lives or the lives of others; ethically immoral in human and medical standards.
"Throwing away" patients who are deemed no longer capable to be part of society.
Decrease in palliative end of life care due to the expectation of terminal patients to exercise their right to die.
Personally I lean towards being able to choose for myself and not have others interfere. Especially if I'm terminal with a short life expectancy.
The right to die is supported and rejected by many. Arguments for this right include:
If one had a right to live, then one must have the right to die, both on their terms.
Death is a natural process of life thus there should not be any laws to prevent it if the patient seeks to end it.
What we do at the end of our lives should not be of concern to others.
If euthanasia is strictly controlled, we can avoid entering a slippery slope and prevent patients from seeking alternative methods which may not be legal.
Arguments against include:
It can lead to a slippery slope; if we allow patients this right, it can expand and have dire consequences.
Give rise in pressuring those to end their lives or the lives of others; ethically immoral in human and medical standards.
"Throwing away" patients who are deemed no longer capable to be part of society.
Decrease in palliative end of life care due to the expectation of terminal patients to exercise their right to die.
Personally I lean towards being able to choose for myself and not have others interfere. Especially if I'm terminal with a short life expectancy.
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:58 am to Bbobalou
All the arguments against you listed are pretty valid. That said, if I were suffering from some terminal disease I know I’d want to be able to choose to die personally
Posted on 5/5/22 at 1:37 am to Bbobalou
100% for it. At such time as I'm not able to care for myself, that's my exit cue. Hopefully with assistance in a dignified manner, but by any means necessary if not. Nightmare scenario is sudden disability which renders one incapable, which makes assisted suicide much the preferable option.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 1:52 am to Bbobalou
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palliative end of life care
Great up to a point. Sometimes nothing touches the pain except being in a doped up coma. In that case you might as well end it.
But that's not the worst case scenario to me. The worst case scenario is wearing a diaper not knowing your own name. Palliative care don't do shite for that.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 2:24 am to Jim Rockford
It's definitely a tricky topic. In my case I'm single with no kids which allows me a little more freedom than those with a wife and kids. Looking at information and current laws in my state I think I should get a proxy or living will.
The last thing I'd want is to be in a vegetative state with no ability to make a choice. Becoming a quadriplegic or similar is not something I'd want either.
One other consideration for me is my age. I'm 60 and have to realize that I'm well on the way to my end. I'd hope to be strong enough to accept things as they are. Throw a big party with whoever wanted to show up and say I'll see you guys on the other side. Then go somewhere and do what I have to do.
The last thing I'd want is to be in a vegetative state with no ability to make a choice. Becoming a quadriplegic or similar is not something I'd want either.
One other consideration for me is my age. I'm 60 and have to realize that I'm well on the way to my end. I'd hope to be strong enough to accept things as they are. Throw a big party with whoever wanted to show up and say I'll see you guys on the other side. Then go somewhere and do what I have to do.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 2:35 am to Bbobalou
The Japanese have their Forbidden Forest where people venture off to die alone by suicide, usually by overdose. Buddhists believe a person’s spirit cannot transcend to a higher realm/plain of existence/ or being unless their worldly remains have been prepared for, and ultimately given, a proper burial.
So culturally and/or religiously, it’s a big NO for the Japanese.
But, this group of people who reject a right to die are comical. I’ve only really ever known of just one. A guy, actually. He was a drill instructor at Parris Island. And really, he was only a proponent of not dying unless you had been given permission.
So culturally and/or religiously, it’s a big NO for the Japanese.
But, this group of people who reject a right to die are comical. I’ve only really ever known of just one. A guy, actually. He was a drill instructor at Parris Island. And really, he was only a proponent of not dying unless you had been given permission.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:04 am to Bbobalou
If a person consciously wants to die they’ll do it. But if they can’t express such a desire you must, to quote GWB’s single finest moment, err on the side life.
Has nothing to do with elective abortion which is just murder.
Has nothing to do with elective abortion which is just murder.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:16 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Has nothing to do with elective abortion which is just murder.
Nor does this right to die topic and discussion have anything to do with abortion. All those topics have to do with this one is that it made me think. The abortion discussion in well covered already on this board but I appreciate you stopping by and I’ll presume your against it.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:16 am to Bbobalou
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Personally I lean towards being able to choose for myself and not have others interfere.
Sometimes that is not possible and the family has to make the decision. That's what happened in my dad's case who was suffering from brain cancer. The family made the decision not to have him go through a third operation because the doctor assured us he would be no more than a vegetable if he survived the operation. He passed away three days later. The hardest thing I have ever done in my seventy years making that decision but we knew it was what he would have wanted. It was a unanimous decision between us three brothers and our stepmom.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:34 am to Homesick Tiger
I understand completely. I just hope to have a say. Lots of times the person Doesn’t.
2 years ago come August my mom passed. She wanted to die at home and not do some thing’s that could have prolonged her life.
It was very… stressful on the family but we all agreed that we would do what she asked if we could.
2 years ago come August my mom passed. She wanted to die at home and not do some thing’s that could have prolonged her life.
It was very… stressful on the family but we all agreed that we would do what she asked if we could.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 6:31 am to Bbobalou
100% for it. I've seen two relatives die horribly over the course of weeks. Hospice is just another term for dying slowly with no little help in my opinion. It amazes me you can put a damn animal down and out of its misery but you can't a dying human.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 6:45 am to Jim Rockford
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The worst case scenario is wearing a diaper not knowing your own name.
Why? That doesn't even stop you from being President.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 7:08 am to Bbobalou
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A "right to die".
AKA: "Self-abortion". My body, my choice.
Seriously though, I am in favor of it for the terminally ill who are of clear mind. Last year we had to put our dog down, she was old and had a tumor on her kidney that pushed her stomach out of position so that she could no longer eat. She was slowly starving to death.
The procedure was quick, quiet and painless (for her).
A few months later the grandmother of my wife (no pics of either) finally passed away after years of slow deterioration. Even before she became bed-ridden (which happened during COVID, making seeing her tougher) she expressed that she was more than ready to go.
We can give relief to a dog, but not a person of clear thinking? Why? Because people well outside the relationship, those who don't even know any of the family members, have decided it hurts their feelings.
Not allowing it in certain circumstances is an ultimate expression of selfishness.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 7:39 am to Bbobalou
100% for.
My body my choice amirite?
My body my choice amirite?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:39 am to Bard
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ter the grandmother of my wife finally passed away after years of slow deterioration. she expressed that she was more than ready to go.
My mom was 90 and she deteriorated rather quickly. Within 3-4 months. I honestly think she was ready. Hospice came in and helped towards the very end. All they did was dope her up and let her starve to death.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:36 pm to Bbobalou
Well?
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