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re: Alabama workers say Turner Industries fired them over Confederate Flag on cars
Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:34 pm to brass2mouth
Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:34 pm to brass2mouth
The guy choose the flag over his job. He is even saying they offered to rehire him 3x since Monday, if he just takes the flag down. But he turned them down. Something just doesn't add up. He knew he couldn't do it, cause he said he normally doesn't fly the flag. But "forgot" the one morning cause he was running late. The manager pulled him aside and told him he had to take it down, which he already knew he had to do. But instead, he took a stand and forced the manager to fire him for doing something he already knew was against the rules. Then they keep giving him chances to come back. But he'd rather take them to court or make a statement. That doesn't add up. Other than he just wanted some attention..
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Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:35 pm to East Coast Band
No article of the constitution or any amendment gives anyone the right to a job. Employer is fine here.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:35 pm to brass2mouth
The men might have protection if they have a union, under the "just cause" for termination.
But, if they look at state law in Alabama, it is an AT-WILL state. The company can fire for good reason, bad reason or no reason.
One could argue this is a bad reason, but the judge would have to rule the company has that right.
And yes, they could fire over the rainbow flag. Not a protected category, like race, color, sex, religion or national origin.
But, if they look at state law in Alabama, it is an AT-WILL state. The company can fire for good reason, bad reason or no reason.
One could argue this is a bad reason, but the judge would have to rule the company has that right.
And yes, they could fire over the rainbow flag. Not a protected category, like race, color, sex, religion or national origin.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 1:11 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
For all the people saying things like "would they fire him over a rainbow flag or this or that flag" They may or may not have, but just like Mr. Simms had to pay for his choice, Turner will or would have in another situation had to pay for it's choice as a corporation.
Here's two examples of big corporations with some recent controversy. Trump mouths off about immigrants and he starts loosing all kinds of contracts. Chick-Fil-A COO makes public comments against SSM and they make a shite load of money while the protests were supposed to be happening.
Their are consequences for actions and if a significant group or percentage of the population feels Turner was out of the box, they will pay for it, but I doubt it shakes out like that.
Here's two examples of big corporations with some recent controversy. Trump mouths off about immigrants and he starts loosing all kinds of contracts. Chick-Fil-A COO makes public comments against SSM and they make a shite load of money while the protests were supposed to be happening.
Their are consequences for actions and if a significant group or percentage of the population feels Turner was out of the box, they will pay for it, but I doubt it shakes out like that.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 1:18 am to ForeverLSU02
I agree the employeer had the right to fire them but I would never work at a PC place like that.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:34 am to Redbone
So, basically what you are saying is that if you are working for whoever, maybe smoothie king, Walmart, turner or whatever and let's say you have a Donald trump bumper sticker on your vehicle and your boss does not support trump then u feel they have the right to fire you? You have been brainwashed in you're upbringing obviously and btw, the confederate flag is not illegal to have. If it was a company truck , I understand but pretty sure it wasn't. These people probably travel from job to job all over the country. You need to decide if you want to live in a government politically correct controlled environment with a bunch of titty babies who get there feelings hurt and want to sue and cry or do you want to grow up and live on a free society!!
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:36 am to pankReb
Only if it is a company vehicle. Do u ask your employer what bumper sticker you can put on your car?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:43 am to Kyleww1
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Do u ask your employer what bumper sticker you can put on your car?
No I don't. But I am also a grown up that understands what is and isn't acceptable at work. I would fire any of my employees that had a confederate flag on his truck in our parking lot. If you want to make political statements do it on your own time and property.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:57 am to MrLarson
First. That's your opinion on the flag. Doesn't other people's opinion matter? I seriously doubt that if one of your employees had a black lives matter or a rainbow bumper sticker on their vehicle you would fire them unless you were ready to lose your business
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:03 am to Kyleww1
A bumper sticker on your bumper is a little different than a big arse flag display in the bed of your truck. Their company=their rules. If you're too immature to handle that then work someplace else.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:04 am to Kyleww1
I don't get the comparison to a bumper sticker. The guy rigged a flag stand above his cab. It hung over the top of the truck and is a full sized flag. It could be seen hundreds of feet away above all of the others cars and trucks. Not really the same as a bumper sticker that you would have to be next to a vehicle to see. Scope and presentation matter a bit in this situation..
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:09 am to Kyleww1
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Doesn't other people's opinion matter?
Yes they do matter and I would be willing to discuss it with any of them. Our customers are my number one priority. I am not going to risk one of them being offended and taking their business to one of my competitors over someone who can't/won't understand that all of us have to conform to some degree in business.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:21 am to Kyleww1
quote:The only opinion that matters while at the work place.....is managements opinion.
Doesn't other people's opinion matter?
quote:considering "blacks" are a protected class in the workforce you might be correct.
seriously doubt that if one of your employees had a black lives matter or a rainbow bumper sticker on their vehicle you would fire them unless you were ready to lose your business
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:34 am to dante
Put a Mississippi state flag in the truck.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:42 am to Crawdaddy
Just wondering, is there a link to pics or interviews with this guy, or a FB link or something?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:24 am to Kyleww1
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So, basically what you are saying is that if you are working for whoever, maybe smoothie king, Walmart, turner or whatever and let's say you have a Donald trump bumper sticker on your vehicle and your boss does not support trump then u feel they have the right to fire you?
Dude, learn what a "right" is. In this case, it is a limitation on the power of government, i.e., the right to free speech means that the government cannot punish you for what you say under most circumstances (there are exceptions BTW).
Wal Mart is not the government. They can fire you for any reason that isn't legally prohibited.
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You have been brainwashed in you're upbringing obviously and btw, the confederate flag is not illegal to have.
At least he had a brain to wash.
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If it was a company truck , I understand . . .
. . . which is weird, because it makes not difference who owns the truck. Wal Mart can fire any of their employees just as long as they don't do it for an illegal reason like gender, race, disability, etc.
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These people probably travel from job to job all over the country. You need to decide if you want to live in a government politically correct controlled environment with a bunch of titty babies who get there feelings hurt and want to sue and cry or do you want to grow up and live on a free society!!
???
Well, I pick a free society where the government doesn't tell me I have to keep employees who do things that I think is detrimental to my business. I should be able to make that decision. Don't you think?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:26 am to chesty
Just google his name (phillip sims) and confederate flag. Thousands of links and there is a filmed interview.
I was raised in Decatur (still have family there) and it has a touchy past with race relations. My next door neighbor was a grand wizard and the fbi was tapping everybody's phones around him. Plus the mysterious cars that rolled through. So not shocked to see this being an issue there.
I was raised in Decatur (still have family there) and it has a touchy past with race relations. My next door neighbor was a grand wizard and the fbi was tapping everybody's phones around him. Plus the mysterious cars that rolled through. So not shocked to see this being an issue there.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:29 am to BiggerBear
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detrimental to my business
Bull shite.
Personal agendas.
They go both ways pal.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:02 pm to ForeverLSU02
"right to work" state.
I'd tell those workers to get fricked. It takes a special type to fly a big arse confederate flag from your vehicle
the type I wish would die out already
I'd tell those workers to get fricked. It takes a special type to fly a big arse confederate flag from your vehicle
the type I wish would die out already
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:06 pm to LucasP
Wtf
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