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re: 12 Steps vs other methods in recovery

Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:31 pm to
That Ted Talk is 1000% spot on.

I’m not an addict, but I’ve struggled with drinking on / off my entire life. Grew up in New Orleans and had a wild family and wilder friends. Grew up working on the river that’s like the Wild West, always a party even When your working.

Went thru some major business stress at the same time As a family divorce & the ex moved to Mandeville which was good
For the kids overall. But It’s as If I feel
That I’m living on an island, have no life anymore, disconnected from life, and have gone into this deep depression and don’t even want to Get out of my bed. The only thing that passes the time Is if I start drinking and then I’ll actually move around in the house, but then the drinking gets worse and worse and end up
On a 7-10-14 day bender & get absolutely nothing done and then need more alcohol day by day & the depression gets worse.

I’m in this mode right now
Isolated and no life. It’s beginning to be scary because I’ve got all sorts of stress going on (too complex to even type) and I don’t want to fight it anymore, just ready for It To all be over.

I hounded some church groups men’s nights, I’ve always been a gym guy, but don’t even have the energy to do that. It’s like I woke up one day and don’t have any ambition for life anymore. I don’t know anyone around me, I don’t want to die I anymore etc…. And this topic has been really good for me, but that TED TALK that David the Knome posted is 1000% what’s happening to me.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
59287 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

I’m in this mode right now Isolated and no life. It’s beginning to be scary because I’ve got all sorts of stress going on (too complex to even type) and I don’t want to fight it anymore, just ready for It To all be over. I hounded some church groups men’s nights, I’ve always been a gym guy, but don’t even have the energy to do that. It’s like I woke up one day and don’t have any ambition for life anymore. I don’t know anyone around me, I don’t want to die I anymore etc…. And this topic has been really good for me, but that TED TALK that David the Knome posted is 1000% what’s happening to m


I haven't watched the Ted talk yet but get online and find a close by meeting to get to. You don't have to be an alcoholic/addict to go to a meeting all you have to have is the desire not to drink while there basically. Maybe see if you can get the phone number of someone you notice you might like or related to. If nothing else it'll be a hour you spent not drinking. Dont mess around with this, it sounds like you may be in a rough spot just remember no matter how hopeless it may feel there are people out there who care about you and want you here with them

Wishes and prayers to you I have been there and it's miserable
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
2365 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:43 pm to
Gnome, that TED TALK is 1000% correct.

Isolation and no sense of tribe can do
That to a person
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
57961 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 3:55 pm to
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same with HoustonChick... would have never guessed

I'm what one would call a very highly functioning alcoholic. Was about probably a year from throwing my life away. Good thing is I caught myself. Never got in trouble with the law, never went to rehab, didn't detox, went to AA on my own decision.

My dad was an alcoholic. He passed away a few years ago of cancer, but died a sober man.

I just liked to drink ALOT and often, and when I drank I didn't have an off switch. It was all or nothing. Most of the time I was a pretty happy drunk, but sometimes I was a pretty mean drunk.

It was making me not be the mom I wanted to be, the friend I wanted to be, or employee I wanted to be. I work from home, so being a remote employee is the alcoholics dream.

I had a rock bottom moment, which I'll be honest in the grand scheme of things was a pebble compared to some, but it was enough to scare the fricking crap out of me and I am thankful for it every single day.

I'm walking away with a fantastic job, all of my relationships intact (better than ever), and my pride in check.

The only change is alcohol is gone and I have a bunch of sober friends and an amazing sponsor who I get to talk to whenever I need advice.

One of the old-timers said they are seeing a lot more younger people end up in AA with progression of the disease as a rock-bottom.

I mean when I look back though, I really knew it all along and I just was lying to myself like we all did. I even emailed someone on the board from here years ago about it asking for advice about it. That was when I was still living in Houston, so that would have been in 2011-2012.
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
57961 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:55 pm to
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dunno it just really bothers me but I don’t know how to deal with it or if I’m overstepping my boundaries and need to focus on myself.

Here is my unsolicited advice.

Don't deal with them.

Let them figure their own shite out.

Focus on your addiction and sobreity.


Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
206857 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:58 pm to
100% correct. You have to focus on yourself first. That’s what I have done and it has worked.
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
57961 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 7:01 pm to
This is good your catching it!!! Go to AA now. Go sit through 90 meetings in 90 days now. Try different ones out. Come back to this thread in 90 days, I'd love to see your thoughts.

Even if you aren't an alcoholic, the break is good for you, and you learn SO much listening to others, you meet lots of people, and honestly you get a great support system for when you don't want drink and keep that up after the 90 days.
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
57961 posts
Posted on 3/9/24 at 9:52 am to
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Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong | Johann Hari | TED

I finally got a chance to watch. Here is my take for anyone wanting to get sober, and make it less miserable.

“The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. The opposite of addiction is connection.”

This was said in the Ted talk and I agree.

For me, I need to be sober as well though.

So I belive I was born an alcoholic. Alcoholism runs in my family, as I've said, and I have a very highly addictive personality.

I partied when I was young, everyone does, right. Well wrong, but I thought so. So I took my drinking as just being normal and young. Then my sister died tragically, horribly. I never dealt with it. I drank it away. I ended up in a mental hospital because of it. Ding ding ding. That should have been a red flag. But the problem was I stopped taking my anti-depressants cold turkey. Yes, that was the immediate problem that day, but the alcohol was still the underlying issue.

Then my mom died, drank that away. Then 4 months later my dad died, drank that away. Then I got a remote job working from home right as we moved to TN, COVID hits, more isolation. Loneliness begins to set in even though you have people around you because you've made alcohol your best friend. But you have friends. And I do. I actually have fantastic friends, that's the problem. I picked alcohol. Its insanity.

So here is how and why AA works IF YOU WORK IT, and what I saw in my 90 meetings in 90 days. And why the opposite of addiction is connection.

I see the people in there that come to get their court paper signed, they get up and disrupt the meeting as soon as it is, grab their paper and leave and are getting nothing out of it, so you can tell they aren't ready to move on. Its sad.

You have the person who every 30-45 days picks up a new white chip, they sit there quietly with their head down. They attend, they listen, they get there right on time, sit in the back, leave right away. So they are accountable in admitting their relapse and are trying! But must be miserable.

You have the person who is there trying, been coming for years, skipping parts of the steps relapsing every 6 or so months but just won't work with a sponsor because he can do it by himself and is being the typical stubborn addict that we are.

But if YOU WORK IT and connect with people it isn't that bad. I don't say much in the meetings, but I listen and I connect. I go to a club where there are 5 meetings a day in person and 2-3 on Zoom as well. I went to them all and frequented the women group and the 7:30 am group, as well as the step group. So I have familiar faces and "know" people in each group. I have a list of 75 woman I could call right now and say I am HoustonChick86 from so and so Club and they'd talk to me. I went to an AA womans conference two weekends ago, there were a couple hundred woman, but I made a point to sit with the woman from my "home" group and talk to them. Play with Cupcake, one of the lady's service dog's who comes to the meetings.

I talk to one of the girls after the meetings who is also a Taylor Swift fan, not about alcohol but about her new album. I'm making a connection so I am comfortable when that day comes that I'm staring at a bottle of liquor I feel comfortable to call one of those people and ask for help instead of being embarrassed.

Eventually you may find someone you know. I've seen people from around town I know. Met a mom of one of my sons best friends from pre-school who lives down the road, which I hate for her, but is a nice connection to have.

I make a connection and talk openly so I'm not ashamed because while I find sobriety easy now, I know that won't aways be the case.

I tried to quit countless times on my own. Every alcoholic has. It may work if you do it by yourself. And if you have Kudos to you because it is fricking hard, I know I sure couldn't. It is much more pleasant with the connections I've made in AA. Yea, the steps aren't my favorite. I'm not necessarily looking forward to Step 4, but I'm going to do it.

And I'm going to keep going to AA. Because one thing I have learned, is every single person in the rooms of AA who has relapsed says they did when they stop going to meetings because they thought they could handle it, then the isolation set back in and the disease took back over. My sponsor was sober 28 years before she relapsed.

I figured if I could put 6-7 days a week into drinking, I can put 3 hours a week into meetings.

Good luck my fellow sober friends.

3 months, 28 days or 120 days for me.

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