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re: Why wouldn't the saints get Michael Vick?
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:19 pm to whodatfan
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:19 pm to whodatfan
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FIXED.
You cannot say that until we see him play. Same thing with Dan Morgan. We hope he regains his old form when he was at his best, but we can only hope right now.
you are amazing... comparing a guy who has been in prison to a guy who had a major injury who has failed already at an attempt to get back?
Vicks 29 years old dude. You dont just "lose it", especially that young. You don't think he worked out in prison any?
I don't even care if we get Vick or not, but your stupid comments make me want to respond. I can't help it.
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:21 pm to Lester Earl
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Its hard to see with the Saints because they have to pass so much, but there are things called "running downs" which are situations that most teams run it. The Saints just havent had that luxury recently.
Nice point. I'll take it.
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It doesn't happen too much on a running play. You dont change the blocking scheme of a running play that you practice all week. Esp at the line of scrimmage right before a play. The way you usually adjust is running the other way, which is a simple audible.
Another nice point. I have no rebuttal.
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With Brees, not so much. He's either A)gonna pass, or B)hand the ball off for 2 yards.
I see what you are saying, but I would still rather Brees to be behind center on every play. We'll just have to disagree on this.
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How? you are equating changes a QB makes at the line of scrimmage for a pass play and using it to talk about a running play.
You are right...I read it back and it doesn't equate. Running plays see a little complex because of the pulling and the down blocking and stuff. But I can see how this wouldn't change much.
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geez ive gotten too far away from my main point
My fault.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:25 pm to GynoSandberg
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Vicks 29 years old dude. You dont just "lose it", especially that young.
FWIW, 29 isn't that young in the NFL. Especially for someone who was as physical as Vick. Deuce is 30 and not on a team, LT is 29 about to be 30 and on the downside (based on the trade rumors this offseason)...Shaun Alexander was cut at 30 and hasn't see the football field again.
You are right about comparing an injury to an absence, but you cannot truly believe that Vick not having played organized football for 2 years (or more by the time he gets reinstated) will be back to form quickly, or ever for that matter.
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:42 pm to SaintEB
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You are right about comparing an injury to an absence, but you cannot truly believe that Vick not having played organized football for 2 years (or more by the time he gets reinstated) will be back to form quickly, or ever for that matter.
EXACTLY what I was getting at. I was comparing the fact that they have both missed extensive time in the NFL, but it seems as though gynoSandberg is out for conflict, not to just exchange thoughts. But I could be wrong. He's gonna try to call me out, insult, or name throw no matter what. It's all good....
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:42 pm to Lester Earl
LE,
I understand all of your points, I do. Vick is a special player. I guess I'm just worried that bringing in Vick to get the tough yards for us might not work out like we envision it will. We don't struggle moving the ball down field, we only struggle running the rock consistantly...mainly the occasional 3rd and short while trying to run out the clock. So my question is, do we really need a wild cat formation type play calling to do this...or do we need to just gear our #1 offense towards establishing a running game instead of just depending on Drews arm to get it done?
I've said before that seeing Vick in the B&G would be nice, but I don't think we need someone like him to help get us to the next level. I think we just need to surround our All Pro QB with a solid defense (which were doing hopefully) and a consistant ground game.
another thought here...feel free to give your opinion guys....If we were to install the Wild formation, who's to say Pierre and Reggie aren't capable of handling this situation?
just my 2 cents
I understand all of your points, I do. Vick is a special player. I guess I'm just worried that bringing in Vick to get the tough yards for us might not work out like we envision it will. We don't struggle moving the ball down field, we only struggle running the rock consistantly...mainly the occasional 3rd and short while trying to run out the clock. So my question is, do we really need a wild cat formation type play calling to do this...or do we need to just gear our #1 offense towards establishing a running game instead of just depending on Drews arm to get it done?
I've said before that seeing Vick in the B&G would be nice, but I don't think we need someone like him to help get us to the next level. I think we just need to surround our All Pro QB with a solid defense (which were doing hopefully) and a consistant ground game.
another thought here...feel free to give your opinion guys....If we were to install the Wild formation, who's to say Pierre and Reggie aren't capable of handling this situation?
just my 2 cents
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:50 pm to Mouth
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another thought here...feel free to give your opinion guys....If we were to install the Wild formation, who's to say Pierre and Reggie aren't capable of handling this situation?
NICE point. They ran it in Miami with, you guessed it, Ronnie Brown. Not a QB. We've got Vicks legs with Bush. But they may argue that would put Brees on the field in a dangerous position, unless of course he comes out for that particular play.
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:51 pm to whodatfan
Edit for Whodats edit...
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:52 pm to whodatfan
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would put Brees on the field in a dangerous position, unless of course he comes out for that particular play.
If he just stands on the sideline at the WR spot, he should be ok. Or, he can come off and have all RBs back there with Reggie or PT taking the snap.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:54 pm to SaintEB
Ooooohhhhh. Now that sounds kinda exciting. I just wanna see them line that up and watch defenses go WTF? And of course listen to the commentary from the announcers....
Reggie would definitely have to work on his passing skills. He could prolly be up to speed with Vicks in about a week.....
Reggie would definitely have to work on his passing skills. He could prolly be up to speed with Vicks in about a week.....
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:56 pm to whodatfan
quote:are we speakin in tongues here or something? I believe we were comparin Brunell's experience in SP's offense compared to Vick's.
you-join date OCT 2007
me-join date Mar 2008
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:56 pm to SaintEB
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You are better than this Whodat...
I edited man, I edited....
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:57 pm to tubucoco
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tubucoco
man, we were definitely not on the same page on that. I'm sorry, I misunderstood what you were talking about. Total frick up on my part. Just ignore my post. Wait.... am I stating the obvious? This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:02 pm to Mouth
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.If we were to install the Wild formation, who's to say Pierre and Reggie aren't capable of handling this situation?
because its a much more dynamic play when their is a legit throw option.
how many players in the world that you know can throw AND run like Vick?
none
You see how effective Ronnie Brown was? Without the real threat of throwing the ball?
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:10 pm to Lester Earl
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You see how effective Ronnie Brown was?
Him and Rickster were pretty effective. However, they did draft Pat White.....
I just don't see the Saints running any kind of Wildcat type of formation. We'll see though.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:14 pm to Lester Earl
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because its a much more dynamic play when their is a legit throw option.
how many players in the world that you know can throw AND run like Vick?
none
You see how effective Ronnie Brown was? Without the real threat of throwing the ball?
Oh my. I'm gonna need an advil after saying this. I a...a....ag.....re..e! Auggghh....
...but,
it's a shame he has too much baggage to justify it. And I'm still not bringing him in (slap in the face) and taking Drew off the field for it (another slap in the face).
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:15 pm to whodatfan
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I'm gonna need an advil after saying this. I a...a....ag.....re..e! Auggghh...
Its like pulling a band-aid....just do it quick...it won't hurt for long....
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:18 pm to Lester Earl
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much more dynamic play when their is a legit throw option.
Ehhhhhh, Vick was never that much of a legit throw option. He's got the cannon arm, but was never that great of a qb. Great athlete in space, but not a great qb.
LE, I have a question for you. Are you saying we should trade Brees for someone like D. McNabb just because they have an added run option?
I personally think Brees' passing ability overshines any lack of mobility you think he may have. He's our best player and should always touch the ball on every play and the added wildcat formation only takes away touches where he might do something great.
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:22 pm to SaintEB
you guys are just startin to see that we are not so bad after all we just try to get people to see what were talkin about from a neutral perspective eevn though were Saints fans, but I have bumped heads with Lester on topics before, that's the beauty of constructive opinions. peace out to you and whodat, i'm going to other boards to knock heads, I'm sure we'll get into it again.
we just try to get people to see what were talkin about from a neutral perspective eevn though were Saints fans, but I have bumped heads with Lester on topics before, that's the beauty of constructive opinions. peace out to you and whodat, i'm going to other boards to knock heads, I'm sure we'll get into it again. This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:25 pm to Suntiger
quote:you know he's not sayin that at all, just stirrin the pot. besides, McNabb doesn't run no where near like he used to.
Are you sayin we should trade Brees for someone like D. McNabb just because they have a added run option?
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/27/09 at 2:27 pm to SaintEB
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FWIW, 29 isn't that young in the NFL. Especially for someone who was as physical as Vick. Deuce is 30 and not on a team, LT is 29 about to be 30 and on the downside (based on the trade rumors this offseason)...Shaun Alexander was cut at 30 and hasn't see the football field again.
You are right about comparing an injury to an absence, but you cannot truly believe that Vick not having played organized football for 2 years (or more by the time he gets reinstated) will be back to form quickly, or ever for that matter.
what's the common theme of all those guys you just named?
and it would take vick time, but he would be ready by mid season. im going to go out on a limb and say he contributes to some team this coming year.
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