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re: Why wouldn't the saints get Michael Vick?

Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:21 am to
Posted by SJS Eagle 85
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:21 am to
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Posted by whodatfan
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:30 am to
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SJS Eagle 85




Dude, don't be so harsh. Geeezzz.....




No, really. The reason you don't take Brees off the field is:

a/ why? it's an insult. he runs the offense. he is the commander on the field and there is no reason to interrupt his drive with some stupid arse screwy gimmic play. that is just nonsense.

b/ drew brees

c/ drew brees

d/ drew brees

e/ drew brees

f/ drew brees

g/ drew brees

etc......
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:30 am to
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Most times in a running situation, you arent going to change to a pass


How do you know this? I would think it happens and vice versa.


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doesn't happen much at the line of scrimmage. Rare. Prob doesn't even happen in some games.


It happens alot. Which is why a QB and Center need to be on the same page. Blocking schemes change depending on what the QB sees as far as blitzes and d-line adjustments. We just don't notice them as often.

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Vick has the opposite affect. In a running formation, with the option to pass the ball is much more lethal that teams thinking Brees "may" pass the ball when he is back there.


I feel that a Brees pass is way more lethal then a Vick run....just my opinion.


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"hey, the Def is stacked to the right, lets run left". Not that hard.


Now you are just being difficult.

Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:32 am to
damn, i'm getting methodically drawn back into this shite.


i'm doing good though.....
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23538 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:33 am to
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Harrington or Brunell doesn't compare to Vick


I think Brunell can run a Sean Payton offense way better than Vick. The majority of the responsibility is for the QB to go through his progression and make a good choice, quickly. Vick has never proven to be that guy. Bring him in for a few gimmick plays? Fine. But not the permanent backup. Brunell and, probably Harrington, are much better options.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:33 am to
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i'm doing good though....


Just stay away from insulting people and name calling and you should be fine.
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21966 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:35 am to
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I think Brunell can run a Sean Payton offense way better than Vick. The majority of the responsibility is for the QB to go through his progression and make a good choice, quickly. Vick has never proven to be that guy. Bring him in for a few gimmick plays? Fine. But not the permanent backup. Brunell and, probably Harrington, are much better options.



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Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21966 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:36 am to
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Just stay away from insulting people and name calling and you should be fine.



it's hard when they look to draw that out of me, but i'm on to their wicked ways....



bad thing is, they've taken shots at the likes of you, mouth, and Ed, and ya'll never even took to name calling or insults. i don't particularly care for that. stay off my peeps, yeard.
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 11:39 am
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:41 am to
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bad thing is, they've taken shots at the likes of you, mouth, and Ed, and ya'll never even took to name calling or insults.



Its cool. I don't take it personally. They don't know me. I just try to state my case. However, you won't make me budge if I think I am right and I think thats where other posters can get frustrated with me.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:41 am to
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I think Brunell can run a Sean Payton offense way better than Vick.
I would hope so, he's been in it a lot longer, but when I said Brunell or Harrington doesn't compare I meant sheer talent wise, Micheal Vick makes things happen when he's behind center, his biggest knock in ATL was that he is not a pocket passer and doesn't pass accurately, other than that they had no complaints because when he was there QB it was always fun, exciting times.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:44 am to
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How do you know this? I would think it happens and vice versa.



Oh, it happens. But not a lot. Its hard to see with the Saints because they have to pass so much, but there are things called "running downs" which are situations that most teams run it. The Saints just havent had that luxury recently.

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It happens alot.


On a running play? no, it doesnt happen a lot.


now on a passing play? sure. Picking up blitzes, chaning the scheme to protect one side if there is an overload, etc.

It doesn't happen too much on a running play. You dont change the blocking scheme of a running play that you practice all week. Esp at the line of scrimmage right before a play. The way you usually adjust is running the other way, which is a simple audible. And putting a man in motion is a simple read and adjustment by the QB as well, which is a built in option on a lot of plays already. Or you simply change the play all together.


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I feel that a Brees pass is way more lethal then a Vick run....just my opinion.



That's not the point. Im talking the situation and the way the defense is thinking against each QB.

If you are playing the Saints, chances are you are expecting a pass. Why? Because you dont have to account for the running game.


My point is, with Vick in the game, the options are endless as far as confusing the defense between a run and a pass.

With Brees, not so much. He's either A)gonna pass, or B)hand the ball off for 2 yards.

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Now you are just being difficult.



How? you are equating changes a QB makes at the line of scrimmage for a pass play and using it to talk about a running play.

running plays are not that complex. If you dont think a simple "lets run left instead of right because thats where the defenders are" is being difficult, then i have to question your knowledge. Because that happens, as simple as it may seem.



and geez ive gotten too far away from my main point
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 11:48 am
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:46 am to
as for the insults, I don't know what or who you guys are referrin to, don't really care, but I've taken them off of you guys before which is what set me off in the first place, one idiot up above at the top was gettin ready to do just that.

the thing I don't get about you guys is that y'all think you own this board and if others don't agree with your opinions they must be trouble makers we have been postin on here a lot longer than y'all, just don't frequent this board as much.
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 11:48 am
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21966 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 11:49 am to
Vick is an inaccurate passer and doesn't handle the pressure of a heavy rush. So, when he's in there, it will be obviously a run, fake run, crazy gimmicky run, whatever. Teams will come after his arse like white on dirty rice. Wait....

Well, anyway you get what i'm saying. Teams will come with heavy pressure and not allow any kind of run and force Vick to throw, which he won't. They won't design the plays that way and he'll have to ad lib which = Vick running and getting tackled.


it's all good. i call it done deal with name calling, bull crap. but:

1 year? alot longer? no, not really. (5 months)

3 or 4? yeah, i'd agree....
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 1:01 pm
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 12:01 pm to
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1 year? a lot longer? no, not really?
I wouldn't say 1 more like 2 now, but even 1 is a lot more than someone that has 0 knowledge, besides Brunell is a 15 year veteran, it is not like he's a 1st,2nd year QB comin into the league, he probably picked up on what Payton was doing right away. why is that so hard to understand?
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288466 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 12:02 pm to
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Teams will come after his arse like white on dirty rice. Wait....


and thats when he drops back to pass and throws a TD.

the whole point of it all. You have a ton of options


frick its really not that difficult
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 12:10 pm to
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and thats when he drops back to pass and throws a TD.
exactly, his knock is not being accurrate, but he is a dangerous thrower, he burned a lot of teams when he played for Atlanta, but I give up, your own your own.
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21966 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 12:50 pm to
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I wouldn't say 1 more like 2 now, but even 1 is a lot more than someone that has 0 knowledge


you- join date OCT 2007

me- join date MAR 2008

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0 knowledge


5 months.


really? c'mon man. please, unless you are an alter, or you are not talking about me, but someone else.....


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we have been postin on here a lot longer than y'all



negative


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just don't frequent this board as much.



true.



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exactly, his knock is not being accurrate, but he is a dangerous thrower, he burned a lot of teams when he played for Atlanta, but I give up, your own your own.



very true.
This post was edited on 5/27/09 at 12:58 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73951 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 12:59 pm to
Vick's thrown 71 career TD vs 52 INTS. He averages 7 yards a carry, 52 yards a game on the ground. And he has rushed for 21 TDs. 3 pro bowls in 6 years.

He's no Drew Brees, but people forget how dynamic he is. Not to mention he single handedly carried those Falcon teams to the playoffs.
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21966 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:02 pm to
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He's no Drew Brees, but people forget how dynamic he was.


FIXED.

You cannot say that until we see him play. Same thing with Dan Morgan. We hope he regains his old form when he was at his best, but we can only hope right now.
Posted by SJS Eagle 85
P-Town
Member since Apr 2009
5007 posts
Posted on 5/27/09 at 1:14 pm to
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SJS Eagle 85


Dude, don't be so harsh. Geeezzz.....

Sorry about the "No Message". I'm just speechless. I can't even begin to fathom how people can think that bringing Vick into N.O. is a good idea. What's the point in re-stating all the solid points that have already been made against this? I don't think I could appropriately stress how bad of an idea is to those who think this is a good idea. Their only argument of substance is that he provides the Saints with another weapon. WHOOPTEEFREAKINDO!!!
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