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Why was Coach Payton on the phone with Foster before we picked?

Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:14 pm
Posted by martiallaw
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:14 pm
Why was Coach Payton talking to Foster before it was our pick. What benefit is it to talk to a player before we are picking to let them know we will pick them. Seems to me thats dumb and is showing their hand. If San Fran didn't think we were going to take him they wouldn't have made the trade. Just curious why do some teams do this? Think about this, The 49ers were positive the Saints were taking Foster but yet we had no idea that the 49ers wanted Foster.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted by tigersint
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2012
3548 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:18 pm to
There is only 1 explination. The whole phone call story is made up. CSP fabricated the story so that he would have a legitimate excuse to take an Offensive player and pretend that he wanted to draft a defensive player all along.

He did all of this in hopes of everyone on Saints Talk not bitching about the OT pick.

Looks like it backfired.
Posted by knowingabyss
Vermont
Member since Aug 2016
2700 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:18 pm to
Because the only team in front of us was Seattle who has one of the best LB units in the league. Not only that, but their biggest weakness was OL and they still had Ramcyzk, Robinson, Lamp and others left. No one could have foreseen them trading down with a division rival.
Posted by fhsdemonfan3131
Franklinton
Member since Feb 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:31 pm to
Loomis said the story isn't all the way true that we were on the phone with him but it was to follow up on some questions we had.
Posted by martiallaw
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
1454 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:35 pm to
If the Bears wouldn't have made their stupid trade with the 49ers the trade for Foster wouldn't have happened. I would still like our coaches to hold their water and wait to talk to the players when we are "officially" on the clock.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22800 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:46 pm to
It makes way more sense they had some follow up questions since they probably didn't even have him as a potential target.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:47 pm to
Yup Loomis said as the pick was approaching and we realized he could fall they had a question on him they still wanted answered.

Usually all of that is done with pre draft (so I REALLY wonder what the question was) and they said they never had that situation happen before where they called a potential pick before we were on the clock.

It almost makes me think Foster really may have been off of our board and we called him to make it appear we wanted him so someone would jump us while another player fell.

Neither sounds more believable than the other, but it has to be one or the other.

I just find it a pretty big stretch they forgot to ask a question pre draft so important they had to call the guy before they were on the clock for an answer. It isn't like he was some obscure 6th round pick. All questions should have long been answered, especially with a guy as detail oriented as Payton.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9945 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:49 pm to
Foster said they called and asked whether he was in Louisiana, Baton Rouge, he said no Miami and then they told him to put his girlfriend on the line.

Not sure why they would ask him if he was in Baton Rouge.

ETA - Fosters girlfriend is from Baton Rouge apparently
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 10:52 pm
Posted by martiallaw
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
1454 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:55 pm to
The questions were for his girlfriend. Coach asked Foster to put his girlfriend on the line so he could ask her some questions. Kinda makes it even more bizarre.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11909 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

It makes way more sense they had some follow up questions since they probably didn't even have him as a potential target.
As much work as the Saints did on him pre-draft, I cannot imagine there was anything critical they had to ask him. I think that is Loomis covering a bit.
Posted by moock blackjack
Member since Apr 2008
96198 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:59 pm to
I really wish Taco or Watts would have fallen to us. Guess Pitt and Dallas also knew we were interested in drafting them!!!
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:01 pm to
Wow that is bizarre. Maybe it was to catch them off guard and see if her answers matched up with some of his trying to see of they could catch him in a lie or if he was truthful.

Or Payton wanted them digits.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22800 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:01 pm to
I just couldn't imagine the Saints taking him at 11 and he was never expected to fall that far. So yeah I could see them maybe not doing as much due diligence as expected as the top realistic player on their board.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:08 pm to
quote:

I really wish Taco or Watts would have fallen to us. Guess Pitt and Dallas also knew we were interested in drafting them!!!


They were not in play at 32. Payton said there was four guys as the pick approached: Tak (which may be bullet dodged though I love his edge and his play), Foster (again perhaps bullet dodged because of the many flags despite the talent), Ramcyzk, and an unnamed player that went in the second round.

That means Taco (as much as it was rumored we loved him) and Watt had second round grades and we weren't reaching with top 15-20 players left on our board.

Jerry Jones straight up admitted Taco had a second round grade but felt they needed to reach because there weren't many with second round grades (like 3-4). And I believe it was said Watt was a reach also for the same reasons.

I'm very glad we were not going to reach on inferior talent just to fill a need. It shows real progress and patience to play this draft the way we did. The one trade we did make was because we had a grade on Kamara that was higher than the cost of the trade AND because the value worked out (a bit in our favor even).
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37073 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:16 pm to
The truth is probably inbetween.

The Saints were going to take Foster. Foster is too dumb to make up phantom phone calls. Loomis does damage control saying we had questions for Foster before Saints pick. But it's not like Saints are vetting this late... he was the Saints pick at #32.

We'll see how it works out for both teams. Ram could play 10+ stellar seasons in the league and Foster wash out. It's similar to Mahomes at #11. We'll see. But for initial reaction, Saints could have gotten better despite their best efforts otherwise.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:20 pm to
They don't call picks before they are on the clock. Loomis said this is the first time they ever did and it was because they had questions (Payton later said he told him they'd call if he was their pick; it definitely wasn't calling him to tell him they were picking him before they were on the clock; they never did before and Payton is super paranoid about stuff like that to begin with).

Seeing that the questions were for his girlfriend I'm guessing they were trying to ask trap questions to see if he had lied about something (otherwise why are you asking her questions?).

And they could have talked to her pre draft if they really needed to ask her questions, so it definitely seems like this was a situation to catch them off guard.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 11:22 pm
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
20686 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:23 pm to
If that was the case, im surprised they were even interested. If you're calling for more answers or to see if a girlfriend's story matches up, it's hard to believe you would take that person. Especially in the first round.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37073 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:41 pm to
quote:

They don't call picks before they are on the clock.
quote:

Loomis said this is the first time they ever did and it
So they did it. First time, last time is moot. The idea that they don't do it is untrue because they did.

And vetting a player by calling his girlfriend or him - while their selection is slotted next is ridiculous.

It's at best a whitewash. As I said, the truth probably lies inbetween. But Saints were still vetting. No way they even call anyone unless he's their wanted pick.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:42 pm to
That's why I'm saying none of the explanations make sense.

They wouldn't call to tell him they were picking him before being on the clock.

They would have had any questioned answered before the draft.

Why would they call during the draft BEFORE they are on the clock to ask his girlfriend questions?

Payton is paranoid as frick about things getting out.

To me it seems to lead to one of two conclusions, both pretty crazy themselves but more believable than the other theories.

You either trip up his girlfriend because you've now caught them pff guard.

or

You call to let another team think you were interested (it's crazy but these things really do get out which is why it's SUPER rare for any team to call any player before the pick is on the clock) so they trade up and take him, letting a player you really want fall.

Thinking more about the second one, Seattle desparately needed Oline help, so maybe we called with them on the clock (or right before they get on the clock) and make the pick before us the only spot to trade up and get him.

And if it is the second scenario you have to play to the media you were genuinely interested to sell the story so it can work again in the future.

Some seriously crazy shite happens on draft day, and the farfetched becomes the reality quite often.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 11:49 pm to
What I'm saying is if they've never done it and then this many years in they did it for the first time ever and to talk to his girlfriend it all seems very staged as if they knew someone would catch wind and jump.

And as another poster said, if you still have legit questions on a guy that deep into it then you probably aren't really considering him.

The whole thing just seems very off with any straight explanation. Doesn't add up straight.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 11:50 pm
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