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What exact rule did the Saints break?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:09 pm
Im not advocating a bounty program but what actual NFL rule did it break? I know the rule about no compensation outside of normal salary and bonuses but if players pool a few bucks, is that the team paying additional money?
Regarding the hits themselves:
Doesnt the NFL already have means of policing illegal or dirty hits?
1. Flag/ejection during the game
2. Review of film/ assesment of fines or suspensions during the week after the games.
To my knowledge we didnt get any suspensions handed out by the NFL due to the supposed "dirty hits". Certainly those game films were reviewed shortly thereafter and were deemed to not have anything out of the ordinary.
Regarding the hits themselves:
Doesnt the NFL already have means of policing illegal or dirty hits?
1. Flag/ejection during the game
2. Review of film/ assesment of fines or suspensions during the week after the games.
To my knowledge we didnt get any suspensions handed out by the NFL due to the supposed "dirty hits". Certainly those game films were reviewed shortly thereafter and were deemed to not have anything out of the ordinary.
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Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:11 pm to Blind Ref
Ignoring the Commish.
It's personal.
It's personal.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:12 pm to Hoodoo Man
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Ignoring the Commish.
Ignoring and lying to him. More than once.
I still think the punishment is too much.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:14 pm to notiger1997
They will have to develop a better system for suspensions. We can't have a legal monopoly and have one guy be able to ban people forever.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:15 pm to notiger1997
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2. Payments were made for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. All such payments are against league rules. Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:15 pm to zerohedged
3. Coach Williams acknowledged that he designed and implemented the program with the assistance of certain defensive players. He said that he did so after being told by Saints Head Coach Sean Payton that his assignment was to make the defense “nasty.” Coach Williams described his role as overseeing record keeping, defining payout amounts, deciding on who received payouts, and distributing envelopes with cash to players who “earned” rewards.
4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.
5. Coach Williams now acknowledges that when he was first questioned about this matter in early 2010 he intentionally misled NFL investigators and made no effort to stop the program after he became aware of the league’s investigation.
6. Coach Williams further confirmed that the program continued during the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and that he occasionally contributed funds to the pool in each of those seasons.
4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.
5. Coach Williams now acknowledges that when he was first questioned about this matter in early 2010 he intentionally misled NFL investigators and made no effort to stop the program after he became aware of the league’s investigation.
6. Coach Williams further confirmed that the program continued during the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and that he occasionally contributed funds to the pool in each of those seasons.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:20 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:The Steelers laugh at this. No suspensions for the coach and gm in Pitt.
Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players.
Suh laughs at this as well...
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:21 pm to Blind Ref
Is it illegal for just the players themselves to get together and pay amongst themselves for the best performances?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:23 pm to Blind Ref
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What exact rule did the Saints break?
None in the business world the Saints were just paying for Perfomance, Just like companies do with any other employess.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:24 pm to ATLienTiger
quote:Thats my question exactly.
Is it illegal for just the players themselves to get together and pay amongst themselves for the best performances?
Did the Saints actually cut checks from the Saints checkbook or was this a cash pool amongst the players?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:24 pm to ATLienTiger
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Is it illegal for just the players themselves to get together and pay amongst themselves for the best performances?
Probably so, but Gregg put up money and helped run the program, including deciding which players got paid what for each act.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:32 pm to Blind Ref
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The Steelers laugh at this. No suspensions for the coach and gm in Pitt.
james harrison plays like his family's going to die unless he kills someone on the field.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 3:33 pm to Blind Ref
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Did the Saints actually cut checks from the Saints checkbook or was this a cash pool amongst the players?
by that report, it was just williams, vitt, and players. not the organization.
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