re: Typical BUM Saints front office. Day 2 will be a bust !

I particularly focused on the draft, mind you. Take off the homer glasses, and look at it for what it is:

Loomis was made GM in 2002 - picks starting from then...

2002
crap 1 1 13 13 Donte Stallworth WR Tennessee
ok 2 1 25 25 Charles Grant DE Georgia
crap 3 2 12 44 LeCharles Bentley C Ohio State
crap 4 3 17 82 James Allen LB Oregon State
crap 5 4 27 125 Keyuo Craver DB Nebraska
crap 6 5 15 150 Mel Mitchell DB Western Kentucky
meh 7 6 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan QB California-Davis
crap 8 6 24 196 John Gilmore TE Penn State
crap 9 7 13 224 Derrius Monroe DE Virginia Tech

2003
crap 1 1 6 6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
good 2 2 5 37 Jonathan Stinchcomb T Georgia
crap 3 3 22 86 Willie Grant LB Ohio State
crap 4 4 5 102 Montrae Holland G Florida State
crap 5 5 20 155 Melvin Williams DE Kansas State
crap 6 6 30 203 Kareem Kelly WR USC
crap 7 7 17 231 Talman Gardner WR Florida State

2004
good 1 1 18 18 Will Smith DE Ohio State
ok 2 2 18 50 Devery Henderson WR Louisiana State
crap 3 2 28 60 Courtney Watson LB Notre Dame
crap 4 5 7 139 Rodney Leisle DT UCLA
good 5 5 24 156 Mike Karney RB Arizona State
crap 6 7 39 240 Colby Bockwoldt LB Brigham Young

2005
good 1 1 13 13 Jammal Brown T Oklahoma
crap 2 2 8 40 Josh Bullocks DB Nebraska
crap 3 3 18 82 Alfred Fincher LB Connecticut
crap 4 4 17 118 Chase Lyman WR California
crap 5 5 16 152 Adrian McPherson QB Florida State
crap 6 6 19 193 Jason Jefferson DT Wisconsin
crap 7 7 18 232 Jimmy Verdon DT Arizona State

Peyton hired in 2006

2006
semiok 1 1 2 2 Reggie Bush RB USC
ok 2 2 11 43 Roman Harper DB Alabama
good 3 4 11 108 Jahri Evans T Bloomsburg (PA)
meh 4 5 2 135 Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue
crap 5 6 2 171 Mike Hass WR Oregon State
crap 6 6 5 174 Josh (Bernard) Lay DB Pittsburgh
meh 7 7 2 210 Zach Strief G Northwestern
good 8 7 44 252 Marques Colston WR Hofstra

2007
crap 1 1 27 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
crap 2 3 2 66 Usama Young DB Kent State
meh 3 3 25 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
crap 4 4 8 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
meh 5 4 26 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
crap 6 5 8 145 David Jones DB Wingate
crap 7 7 10 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee

2008
good 1 1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
good 2 2 9 40 Tracy Porter DB Indiana
meh 3 5 9 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
ok 4 5 29 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska
crap 5 6 12 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
meh 6 7 30 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan

predicted:

2009
meh 1 1 14 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
ok 2 4 16 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
crap 3 4 18 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
crap 4 5 28 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist


54 picks under Loomis
25 of those under SP

Loomis: 8 good, 5 ok, 1 semi-ok, 8 meh, 32 crap
SP: 4 good, 3 ok, 1 semi-ok, 7 meh, 10 crap


Even if you disagree about Jenkins and Bush, there's not much else that is even up for debate. ( Pressley and Meachem can't be rated well if they can't see the field. ) Now compare that with the Ravens or Patriots... yeah, not even close.

Riddle me this: If Loomis is so good at what he does, why are we still without a SB appearance yet at the bottom of the barrel in cap room? You'd think with all that money spent, it would show up better than 8-8.

I'll admit that one may not be fair by me, but when a guy leaves your team because he wants nothing to do with you after only 3 seasons, that pick didn't really pan out all too well.

The big reason why Bentley wanted out so bad was that he sat out the last two games of the 2005 season and someone with the Saints made a comment to the effect of him doing it to ensure he made it to the free-agent market unscathed.


He took those comments personally, resulting in the interviews where he said he'd rather sit out a year than play for the Saints again, then he signed a contract with the Browns and promptly tore a ligament in his knee and got a nasty staph infection in it, never playing another down of football.



Someone getting pissy over a comment like Bentley did is a one-off situation, not a habitual case like the Raiders and their Keystone Kops front-office or the kind of crap that "King Carl" Peterson would regularly pull in KC when he was still there.

Loomis has final say but is definitely NOT the man. He is a bean counter and not a personnel guy. The drafts and moves since 2002 are directly reflective of Haz and Payton.

I graded'em in another thread, just copying n paste here-

You can really only score drafts after three years to have real perspective. Since some saintards like to throw some random shite on the wall let's review them since Payton's arrival. Consider also that in the NFL any 4th Rd or later pick that just makes the team is generally considered a success. I score relative to the round and performance, even if with another team-

7th Round
Colston- A+ incredible pick, stud
Strief- B solid backup
Marvin Mitchell- C still on the team solid STer

6th Round
Josh Lay- X missed
David Jones- B started 7 games for bengals last year
Adrian Arrington- I incomplete, looked like he would make the team last fall

5th Round
Mike Hass- C for still staying on NFL rosters 3 years later even if not showing stats
Bushrod- B has looked good in pre season and they are developing him
Mehlhaff- F missed wide right

4th Round
Ninkovich- C still playing as sub
Antonio Pittman- B+ 23 games, 5 starts in 2 years for Rams. Too bad they found such a great FA in PT
Nicks- A+ good looking starting guard in rookie year, impressive

3rd Round
Jhari Evans- A+ whaddya call Bloomsburg College 3A? Have to tender with 1st/3rd cuz someone might take him for a first. nuff said
Andy Alleman- B 15g, started 4 for Miami
Pressley- I incomplete, we'll see

2nd Round
Harper- B- starting SS from day one, not All Pro but there are many worse
Usama Young- D ST stud, might do better at FS
Tracy Porter- A/I what we saw looked good, impressed Payton and he's penciled in as starter after 5 games

1st Round
Bush- B- if he was a 2nd Rd pick everyone would be gaga about him. Not Adrian Peterson but his total package brings a lot of game.
Meachem- F almost I, plenty of WRs take 3 years for the light to come on. This year will show
Ellis- B- only injury held him back, nothing but more game expected

Lessee... A+ B C X B I C B F C B+ A+ A+ B I B+ D A B F B. Only a couple out of 21 that still are not in the league. I'm not saying the best in the NFL but I say not too shabby either.

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