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re: The math has spoken: Jameis is better than Dalton
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:47 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:47 am to whatiknowsofar
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I have given you numbers you choose to ignore, you have lied twice in this thread. Bad look for you.
I haven’t ignored anything. Dalton’s numbers in 2022 are better than Winston’s. End of discussion.
I don’t care what Jameis did in 2021 under a coach who isn’t here anymore.
The fact you’re butthurt that the offense is better with Dalton running it tells me everything I need to know.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 11:50 am
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:01 pm to RB10
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I haven’t ignored anything
No, you've just been lying. Openly.
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I don’t care what Jameis did in 2021 under a coach who isn’t here anymore.
If you choose to ignore numbers then why can't I ignore the numbers of the games jameis played with 4 back fractures? You're just using bad mental gymnastics and moving the goalposts.
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The fact you’re butthurt that the offense is better with Dalton running it tells me everything I need to know.
"Running the offense" yet we're using taysom behind center far more lol
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
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No, you've just been lying. Openly.
Ironic considering the title of this thread is a downright lie.
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If you choose to ignore numbers then why can't I ignore the numbers of the games jameis played with 4 back fractures? You're just using bad mental gymnastics and moving the goalposts.
Again, ironic.
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"Running the offense" yet we're using taysom behind center far more lol
So the offensive play calling is more creative with Dalton starting? Leading to more efficiency and points?
Why would a saints fan have a problem with this?
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:05 pm to oogabooga68
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You still haven't honestly answered this question: Why are you so OBSESSED with Winston
I'm not obsessed with Winston. I'm tired of the narrative that dalton is much better when it's not true, and I'm tired of people using wr injuries as an excuse for him when back fractures for jameis don't count. It's hypocrisy.
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to the point of lying and throwing everyone NOT named Winston under the bus?
I'm not throwing people under the bus anymore than what this board has done, unless you think we have a good playcaller, when guess what, we don't. I said jameis should not have played his last two games and never waivered from that. You're just another ignorant troll.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:12 pm to RB10
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So the offensive play calling is more creative with Dalton starting? Leading to more efficiency and points?
Why would a saints fan have a problem with this?
Because it shows that
A) the playcalling has been worse when jameis played. It's not like dalton brings more to the table so we run a more diverse playbook, this is with Dalton on the sidelines
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B) it's because dalton is limited, otherwise you would want him taking more snaps if he was so much better than Jameis
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:14 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Because it shows that
The offense is better with Dalton. Again, why do you have a problem with this? Why does it bother you so much that the offense is better with Dalton starting?
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:22 pm to RB10
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The offense is better with Dalton
This is a very poor argument. I've told you that we've scored more due to a better running game, more taysom, and better playcalling, all of which are true and have nothing to do with Dalton.
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Why does it bother you so much that the offense is better with Dalton starting?
It bothers me that jameis had all of one game and half of a training camp with no ota before he got hurt and idiots like you shut the book on him because he played hurt, when again, he obviously shouldn't have.
Edit: you're not even refuting what I'm saying. Your quote just cut off my explanation. Take your l and move on
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:28 pm to whatiknowsofar
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This is a very poor argument.
Making the factual statement that the offense is better is a poor argument?
Ok.
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I've told you that we've scored more due to a better running game, more taysom, and better playcalling, all of which are true and have nothing to do with Dalton.
Saying they have nothing to do with Dalton is ignorant. It also helps that he’s not out there throwing terrible interceptions, but you already knew that. Also, I don’t care why the offense is better, I only care that it is better.
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It bothers me that jameis had all of one game and half of a training camp with no ota before he got hurt and idiots like you shut the book on him because he played hurt, when again, he obviously shouldn't have.
Didn’t you just say you weren’t obsessed with Winston? Why do you care if people are writing him off? He wasn’t helping the team win games.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:30 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Edit: you're not even refuting what I'm saying. Your quote just cut off my explanation. Take your l and move on
How am I going to take an L when my stance is the offense is better with Dalton starting, which is a fact?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:35 pm to RB10
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Why do you care if people are writing him off? He wasn’t helping the team win games.
Because he's a better qb than dalton. Otherwise dalton would've earned the starting job in camp when he got way more reps than jameis.
He engineered a 4th quarter comeback despite shite playcalling and helped us win game one.
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Saying they have nothing to do with Dalton is ignorant
How so? Is andy calling plays, blocking, and running the ball? No he is not.
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It also helps that he’s not out there throwing terrible interceptions, but you already knew that
He threw 0 picks in his one fully healthy game. A back injury and frustration regressed his game. There is no dispute of that.
It also helps that our offense isn't bricking 2 fgs and fumbling for tds like we did in the carolina game, but you already knew that didn't you?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:37 pm to RB10
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How am I going to take an L when my stance is the offense is better with Dalton starting, which is a fact?
Because you are intentionally using generic vague phrasing and ignoring advanced stats like taysoms usage and a better run game that hides daltons inability.
Jameis best game of the season is far better than any of Andy's games. That's not a debate either. His two bad games were with a busted back, one with no kamara, and he played poorly just like the rest of the team in the Carolina loss. Stop being foolish.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He engineered a 4th quarter comeback despite shite playcalling and helped us win game one.
It’s crazy how the play calling was just shite for the three games Winston started and then just magically got better once Dalton started.
Or maybe one quarterback just has better command of the offense and is better than the other one….
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:40 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Because he's a better qb than dalton. Otherwise dalton would've earned the starting job in camp when he got way more reps than jameis.
This is such a lazy argument that I’m not even going to address it.
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He engineered a 4th quarter comeback despite shite playcalling and helped us win game one.
He engineered a comeback after failing to lead a TD drive for 3 quarters. Congrats?
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How so? Is andy calling plays, blocking, and running the ball? No he is not.
So the offense is better with Dalton starting? That’s what I keep saying.
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He threw 0 picks in his one fully healthy game. A back injury and frustration regressed his game. There is no dispute of that.
So the 8 game sample is what Winston is now? Not the other 5 years of his career where he was a turnover machine?
Got it.
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It also helps that our offense isn't bricking 2 fgs and fumbling for tds like we did in the carolina game, but you already knew that didn't you?
A missed kick is the only reason the saints aren’t 2-1 with Dalton starting, but you already knew that, didn’t you?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:42 pm to RB10
You know what’s not up for debate. Winston lost to the worst team in the league with all of his starting receivers. No excuse for that.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:44 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Because you are intentionally using generic vague phrasing and ignoring advanced stats like taysoms usage and a better run game that hides daltons inability.
You’re using passing yardage and 1 quarter of play to justify your stance, scooter.
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Jameis best game of the season is far better than any of Andy's games.
Quarter. He was trash for 3 quarters while he helped dig that hole he had to miracle his way out of.
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His two bad games were with a busted back, one with no kamara, and he played poorly just like the rest of the team in the Carolina loss. Stop being foolish.
Dalton has a bad game with no Kamara and Callaway as his number 1 receiver. I guess he gets a pass too.
So I’ll ask again, with both QBs having played with roster limitations, why does it bother you that the offense is better with Dalton starting?
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:44 pm to Townedrunkard
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It’s crazy how the play calling was just shite for the three games Winston started and then just magically got better once Dalton started.
It's been shite for 3 games with jameis,
And bad for 1.5 with Dalton (minny game and 2nd half of bengals).Bengals.
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Or maybe one quarterback just has better command of the offense and is better than the other one….
So much more command that he's on the sideline twice as much for taysom plays lol
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:47 pm to RB10
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A missed kick is the only reason the saints aren’t 2-1 with Dalton starting, but you already knew that, didn’t you?
We had to go to overtime if we made that kick. Again with false claims lol
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:48 pm to whatiknowsofar
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It's been shite for 3 games with jameis,
And bad for 1.5 with Dalton (minny game and 2nd half of bengals).Bengals.
So with shite play calling Winston won 1 game and got trounced in the others. Dalton won 1 game, was a missed FG away from beating 5-1 Minnesota and lost by 1 score in the final minutes to the Bengals?
Interesting.
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So much more command that he's on the sideline twice as much for taysom plays lol
Why does this matter if the offense is more productive?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:53 pm to whatiknowsofar
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And bad for 1.5 with Dalton (minny game and 2nd half of bengals).Bengals.
So the play calling was bad against the Vikes, and yet Dalton got us 25 with no Kamara, no MT, and Ingram getting hurt having a running back off the street come in. And Hill didn’t do anything that game unless u count 20 yards rushing as something.
Yet still got us the lead with a few mins to play in the 4th that the defense of course gave away.
Dalton must be the greatest qb ever with all that against him and still putting us in position to win.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:56 pm to RB10
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You’re using passing yardage and 1 quarter of play to justify your stance, scooter.
And rushing yards, taysom usage, better playcalling for daltons games vs jameis, etc. Again with the ignorance.
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Quarter. He was trash for 3 quarters while he helped dig that hole he had to miracle his way out of.
And his one quarter is better than any of Andy's entire games lol.
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Dalton has a bad game with no Kamara and Callaway as his number 1 receiver. I guess he gets a pass too.
We could only hide him for so long. As soon as we needed a td to win in 2 min I knew the game was over. He can't put the ball down the field at all. Every deep ball, including what should have been the game winner was short.
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why does it bother you that the offense is better with Dalton starting?
It doesn't bother me because it's a misleading statement. The wins and losses are the same, the one game where we exploded for 39 was with him on the sidelines for 28 of those points, and the one game where we scored 11 we had two bricked fgs and a fumble td that wasn't on jameis.
It's still silly that you ignore these stats. Jameis has played ok to very well for the saints when he isn't injured. He's allowed to get better when you leave the bucs and their bad coaching and learn from drew brees and Sean Payton.
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