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re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?

Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:45 am to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:45 am to
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You just don't understand what the frick we're talking about. We're talking about the Most Valuable Player in the NFL. Peyton Manning has more of those awards than anyone else in history. Want to know why? Look at his team with him last year and without him this year.

Drew Brees' team without him is nothing. Not .500, not six wins, probably not even two wins. I have serious doubts as to whether or not anyone affiliated with the Saints organization outside of Jim Henderson and Jon Vilma would even know what to do when they went to work without Brees as QB.


What you don't seem to understand is that all of this is PURE SPECULATION on your part. Its subjective, not objective. When something is subjective, other people can disagree and use different criteria.
Posted by jdrumdog
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:45 am to
lol.....or Matt Prater.
Posted by quail man
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:45 am to
i think flynn should win...look at his yards and touchdowns per start...they smash Brees and AR...he's on pace for like 8,000 yards and 394 touchdowns in a season if he ever starts
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:48 am to
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You don't think Brees is able to throw for 500 yards in one game?


Did one of his backups do that this season?

Also- Drew Brees's Most Passing Yards, Game – 510 vs. Cincinnati, 11/19/2006

Aaron Rodgers has never done that, Mat Stafford did however do that today against Greenbay.
This post was edited on 1/2/12 at 12:52 am
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:49 am to
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$100,000 is more than $99,000. I'd gladly take the $99,000 over the $100,000 if it meant I got to work 1 less hour a day


Stop avoiding me Mr. locked into your previous posts:
I want you to answer this:

What if it was one less day out of the entire year, and What if you were able to be the first person in your company's history to make $100,000 and it would mean years of endorsements and lucrative salary the next few years of your career?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:50 am to
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Go read about percentages and how they relate probabilities. You're going to need some info besides personal Aaron Rodgers stats if that's all you're going to use. You're going to need:

some average ratings for int/TDs thrown in an NFL game for the past 20 or so years

Aaron's personal probability numbers for such an outing.

Weather percentage probabilities, int/TD ratios for inclement weather.

Home probability turnover ratios.

That's just for starters.


What a bunch of horseshite

Rodgers has 10 total turnovers this year, since he's been a starter his total turnovers has DECLINED each season. Could he have had 5 turnovers if he played today? Sure. Could I fly to LA and have a threesome with Mila Kunis and Katy Perry, also yes. Both are highly unlikely. There is nothing Rodgers has done EVER to suggest he would not have at a bare minimum had an OK game had he played today.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:52 am to
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Remember what happened when Shaun Alexander left Seattle?

He played for the Redskins and did absolutely nothing?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:56 am to
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this is quite possibly the most asinine statement I've ever seen typed on a message board.


Then you must on go here very often

LINK

frick, that's not even the most asinine statement I've ever made on a message board

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You do realize that if it was meaningless, the Packers would've just laid down and lost, right?


You do realize that the Packers would have the #1 seed in the NFC regardless if they won or lost and that played their back up QB because the they didn't want to risk their starter getting hurt?

Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:58 am to
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Remember what happened when Shaun Alexander left Seattle?



He left behind the greatest offensive line in NFL history arguably.

He won the MVP simply because he broke the TD record. A lot of MVPs have been won bc records were broken.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 12:58 am to
STOP avoiding my question an answer it.



Also more stats for you:

Drew Brees - 9 total games with 400+ passing yards

Aaron Rodgers - a measly 3
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:02 am to
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Aaron Rodgers' best game of his career doesn't beat Matt Flynn's only game of this season. Same players, same coaches, common opponent. When we are talking about who is more valuable to their team, it does mean something


Jesus, I'm not even sure how to respond to that fricking stupidity . Rodgers has had games close to these numbers, you are still far to focused on cumulative #'s. Flynn had more attempts in this game than Rodgers has once you get over 400 or even 350 yards it only matters to the bean counters, doesn't prove value one way or the other. All it means is GB has a better back up.
Posted by STERLING
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:04 am to
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Rodgers has 10 total turnovers this year

Actually, he only has 6. He didn't lose any fumbles this year. Only the 6 INTs.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60670 posts
Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:08 am to
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You really think Rodgers was not "able" to do that?


Yes. If he was he would have done it.



Holy shite, are you really this dumb?

Michael Jordan never scored 81 in a game like Kobe did once, do you really think he wasn't able to do it, or just that it never happened due to a million different circumstances?

The objective is to win the games, that's based on points scored, specific individual stats like yds and tds thrown. Its a team game, if the teams goes 80 yds for a game winning TD, whether the QB throws for 79 or 60, throws a 1 yd TD pass of hands it off, he has done his job if the drive results in a TD and the team wins.

Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:09 am to
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you are still far to focused on cumulative #'s


no hes not. the point is that we are arguing over the Most valuable player. Rodgers back up out performed him today. Common opponent, same team around him. Lions playing hard to win. There is no way in hell Chase Daniels could out perform drew Brees against a divisional opponent playing to win. Thus Drew is more Valuable to his team than Aaron Rodgers.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:11 am to
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Its a team game


Yup. But MVP is an individual award.

Also, you gonna answer my $100,000 question?
This post was edited on 1/2/12 at 1:13 am
Posted by bradwieser
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:15 am to
Rodgers has less turnovers, thats about it. People will shout about Brees attempting more passes, but that only shows how he was more valuable to his team. I would argue that Brees has done it with a less talented receiving core.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60670 posts
Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:22 am to
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Stop avoiding me Mr. locked into your previous posts:
I want you to answer this:

What if it was one less day out of the entire year, and What if you were able to be the first person in your company's history to make $100,000 and it would mean years of endorsements and lucrative salary the next few years of your career?


wasn't avoiding it, I didn't see it. However, what your question shows is your zero sum mentality. If no one has made $100K, then my $99,900 is probably the record anyway, so I don't care about crossing over some number. The point is while $100K is in fact greater than $99,990, the difference is immaterial and its doubtful that crossing that line will be the difference between a long lucrative career or getting fired. That's what you guys are missing. If Being #1 gets you a Caddy and #2 gets a set of steak knives while #3 gets you fired, then yes, working to get that #1 goal is worth the extra effort.

That's not how it works in sports however. Setting the single season yardage record will not mean Drew Brees makes more than Rodgers necessarily. That will depend on a lot of factors, not the least of which is what those players care about. Given their age difference its likely Rodgers makes more in his career just because he'll play to a later date and salaries will go up.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:26 am to
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He won the MVP simply because he broke the TD record. A lot of MVPs have been won bc records were broken


He also ran for 1880 yds on a team that went 13-3. No QB's had a special year, Peyton Manning had a down year statistically that year, Brady didn't do anything special he had only 1 more passing TD than SA had rushing and Manning was 2nd in the league.

Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:29 am to
I'm going to sleep. Drew Brees deserves the MVP. He is more valuable to his franchise than Aaron Rodgers. They are both great players and the top QB's in the league. The race is very close, but objectively I believe Drew is more valuable to his organization for many reasons listed herein this thread both by myself and other posters. As for your stupid comments to my $100,000 question:







Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60670 posts
Posted on 1/2/12 at 1:31 am to
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Yup. But MVP is an individual award.


Yup and you somehow act like Rodgers hasn't had a great season and isn't valuable. I pretty sure you didn't change you mind today, so Matt Flynn's game is nothing but a red herring.

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Rodgers has less turnovers, thats about it.


Nope, he has more total TD's and a higher YPA.

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People will shout about Brees attempting more passes, but that only shows how he was more valuable to his team




No it doesn't, it means the Saints threw more passes than GB. There could be 50 different reasons for that, like the Saints were in more close games, their RB's didnt do as well, GB using more clock, GB's D got more turnovers, so they had shorter fields, plenty of different

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I would argue that Brees has done it with a less talented receiving core.
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I agree, GB may have the best WR corp in the NFL. but its not like's Brees' out there throwing to me and shel311
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