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Players Whose Stock Could Drop At The Combine
Posted on 2/23/11 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/23/11 at 6:54 pm
from THIS ARTICLE, the players who might be of strong Saints interest-
RB Mark Ingram: Alabama
He’s shifty, physical and displays great short-area quickness and balance in tight areas. However, if there is one knock on Ingram’ game, it’s that he lacks great top-end speed in the open field. Now, because of his ability to side step defenders and break tackles he still creates a lot of big plays. However, on tape he doesn’t look much more than a 4.55 guy. Again, speed is one of the most overrated attributes at the running back position, but if Ingram ends up running in the 4.6 range, which is very possible, I could see him falling down deeper into the first round than most feel at this time.
---he could be a hard choice if still on the board at #24
DL Cameron Jordan: Cal
In no way am I saying that Jordan isn’t a good athlete. However, when compared to the other defensive ends in the group — Aldon Smith, Da’Quan Bowers and Robert Quinn — I have a tough time seeing Jordan keep up from a numbers standpoint. He’s a bigger guy who has the versatility to play inside and out, and in my view isn’t going to be among the top in the defensive end grouping. Now, does something like this possibly keep Jordan out of the top 10-15 picks? Maybe. But like the first three guys on the list, if he starts to slide on draft day at all because of his workout, someone is going to get a bargain they never thought they would.
---he may not be the ultimate pass rusher for a Saints fit but he is a very complete player. He might be the best player we could have any real hope on the remote side.
DE Ryan Kerrigan: Purdue
Back in November when I was talking with a scout concerning Kerrigan’s draft stock, the one thing he said even back than was that teams are going to be turned off by the kind of athlete he is. You can see on tape a lack of a real closing burst in pursuit, he isn’t overly explosive off the line and looks tight hipped in space. Kerrigan is a football player, a savvy, hard-working football player at that, but this is one environment where I could see him struggling in.
---also not the super pass rusher but I could see him being good value and a starter for years to come
OLB Mason Foster: Washington
He’s not the biggest, he’s not the fastest, but he’s got good instincts, can fend off blocks and tackles the football well. However, in a class of outside linebackers full of gifted athletes, I could see Foster getting lost in the shuffle a bit because he’s not going to post a top-tier 40-time. And when you combine that with his overall size, it could allow some of the bigger, faster workout warriors to jump over him on draft day. However, I still think the guy is as solid as any weakside linebacker in the draft and regardless of where he gets drafted, by year two he’ll be in someone’s starting lineup in the league.
---some stock drop for him would be a good thing to be a more possible very solid 2nd Rd selection.
RB Mark Ingram: Alabama
He’s shifty, physical and displays great short-area quickness and balance in tight areas. However, if there is one knock on Ingram’ game, it’s that he lacks great top-end speed in the open field. Now, because of his ability to side step defenders and break tackles he still creates a lot of big plays. However, on tape he doesn’t look much more than a 4.55 guy. Again, speed is one of the most overrated attributes at the running back position, but if Ingram ends up running in the 4.6 range, which is very possible, I could see him falling down deeper into the first round than most feel at this time.
---he could be a hard choice if still on the board at #24
DL Cameron Jordan: Cal
In no way am I saying that Jordan isn’t a good athlete. However, when compared to the other defensive ends in the group — Aldon Smith, Da’Quan Bowers and Robert Quinn — I have a tough time seeing Jordan keep up from a numbers standpoint. He’s a bigger guy who has the versatility to play inside and out, and in my view isn’t going to be among the top in the defensive end grouping. Now, does something like this possibly keep Jordan out of the top 10-15 picks? Maybe. But like the first three guys on the list, if he starts to slide on draft day at all because of his workout, someone is going to get a bargain they never thought they would.
---he may not be the ultimate pass rusher for a Saints fit but he is a very complete player. He might be the best player we could have any real hope on the remote side.
DE Ryan Kerrigan: Purdue
Back in November when I was talking with a scout concerning Kerrigan’s draft stock, the one thing he said even back than was that teams are going to be turned off by the kind of athlete he is. You can see on tape a lack of a real closing burst in pursuit, he isn’t overly explosive off the line and looks tight hipped in space. Kerrigan is a football player, a savvy, hard-working football player at that, but this is one environment where I could see him struggling in.
---also not the super pass rusher but I could see him being good value and a starter for years to come
OLB Mason Foster: Washington
He’s not the biggest, he’s not the fastest, but he’s got good instincts, can fend off blocks and tackles the football well. However, in a class of outside linebackers full of gifted athletes, I could see Foster getting lost in the shuffle a bit because he’s not going to post a top-tier 40-time. And when you combine that with his overall size, it could allow some of the bigger, faster workout warriors to jump over him on draft day. However, I still think the guy is as solid as any weakside linebacker in the draft and regardless of where he gets drafted, by year two he’ll be in someone’s starting lineup in the league.
---some stock drop for him would be a good thing to be a more possible very solid 2nd Rd selection.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:00 pm to blueslover
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DE Ryan Kerrigan: Purdue
not sure why so many are high on him. Not the type of player this front office likes to draft regardless of what people think of his potential.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:16 pm to tigerguy121
He's a good guy over achiever type. I'd prefer a purer pass rusher DE type or one of the DT pluggers over a LDE type.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:18 pm to blueslover
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He's a good guy over achiever type.
I'm sure he has a future in the NFL, but I don't want to use a 1st rounder on a guy labeled as an "over achiever" in college
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:20 pm to blueslover
Kerrigan has more sacks and TFLs than anybody in the draft. If thats not a "pass rusher type" i dont know what is
There's only one guy in this whole draft that would surprise me if he werent a good pass rusher, Bowers.
Kerrigan's numbers dwarf every other guy's in this draft. I trust him rushing the passer over someone that couldnt even do it consistently versus college OTs
There's only one guy in this whole draft that would surprise me if he werent a good pass rusher, Bowers.
Kerrigan's numbers dwarf every other guy's in this draft. I trust him rushing the passer over someone that couldnt even do it consistently versus college OTs
This post was edited on 2/23/11 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 2/23/11 at 7:32 pm to blueslover
I don't know why that article didn't mention Adrian Clayborn. He apparently has Erb's Palsy which might make some teams drop him down their draft board.
BTW, I don't think Ingram will drop that far. I keep reading that Ingram is reminding people of Emmitt Smith and he didn't run that fast at the combine. It'll be interesting if a slow time reduces his potential draft position.
As for Kerrigan, he reminds me of Grant Wistrom. A high-morot guy who can get some sacks but not an elite talent that can take over a game.
BTW, I don't think Ingram will drop that far. I keep reading that Ingram is reminding people of Emmitt Smith and he didn't run that fast at the combine. It'll be interesting if a slow time reduces his potential draft position.
As for Kerrigan, he reminds me of Grant Wistrom. A high-morot guy who can get some sacks but not an elite talent that can take over a game.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:20 pm to bbrownso
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I don't know why that article didn't mention Adrian Clayborn.
The point is that some of the less athletically gifted types are the ones that may lose a few points from the Combine(not the head issues or known physical issues). On athleticism Clayborn is prolly top ten pick quality. His stock does already look to be settled close to the Saints range mostly cuz of head/attitude questions.
Most scouting reports on Kerrigan sez LDE or 3-4 LB. His athleticism is questioned when matched against NFL LTs. He didn't show anything at the Senior Bowl and is a one year wonder to a degree. Wistrom would be a good example. Walter Football compared him to Aaron Kampman.
Trying to match potential draftees to current players could be a good thread.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:50 pm to blueslover
Honestly, I really hope we get Ingram. I think he would be great in our system.
Posted on 2/23/11 at 8:56 pm to blueslover
quote:You have to have the wrong guy.
He didn't show anything at the Senior Bowl and is a one year wonder to a degree.
Freshman- 18kls 7 sacks
Sophomore- 56tkls 11.5tfl 7 sacks
Junior- 65tkls 17tfl 11 sacks
Senior- 70tkls 26tfl 12.5 sacks
Career- 55.5 tfl 37.5 sacks
One year wonder?
His competition:
Cam Jordan college career- 34 tfl 17.5 sacks
JJ Watt college career- 36.5 tfl 11.5
Calyborn college career- 37.5 tfl 19 sacks
Cam Heyward career- 37.5 tfl 15.5 sacks
If there was a huge disparity in where these guys were gonna go then fine. But they're all gonna go in the same part of the draft. If im looking for a pass rusher in that group, give me the guy that can actually do it
This post was edited on 2/23/11 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 2/23/11 at 9:19 pm to eyeran
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give me the guy that can actually do it
It's a fallacy to believe those other guys can't pass rush. Even bigger issue is that you compare totals for entire college careers without at least mwntioning that some on that list didn't play all 4 years like Kerrigan. Watt was transfer who only played 2 years, and Heyward is leaving Ohio St. early.
You want to say Kerrigan is better thats your opinion and thats fine. Using career totals to do so though doesn't prove anything
Posted on 2/23/11 at 9:25 pm to eyeran
I think ya need to go beyond statistics in evaluating football players- all the more so for lineman. As said, most scouting reports on Kerrigan will note limited athleticism and techniques as a pass rusher. He was quite contained in the Sr Bowl when playing against quality opponents. He has a great motor and intangibles but that only goes so far in the NFL.
I say one year wonder cuz before this season he was hardly a blip on draft boards. Clayborn for example was a Top 5 range projection before last year.
A good comparison for stats would be the all time sack leader for Florida (33) with 47 TFL. Ya know who that is? Alex Brown- who is a solid LDE but will never be mistaken for a QB killah. Also almost the same exact build... AB 6'3" 260lb RK 6'4" 255lb
I'm not down on Kerrigan. He could actually be the best player available pick when the time comes. There are other more athletic beasts off the edge types I'd prefer tho.
I say one year wonder cuz before this season he was hardly a blip on draft boards. Clayborn for example was a Top 5 range projection before last year.
A good comparison for stats would be the all time sack leader for Florida (33) with 47 TFL. Ya know who that is? Alex Brown- who is a solid LDE but will never be mistaken for a QB killah. Also almost the same exact build... AB 6'3" 260lb RK 6'4" 255lb
I'm not down on Kerrigan. He could actually be the best player available pick when the time comes. There are other more athletic beasts off the edge types I'd prefer tho.
This post was edited on 2/23/11 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 2/23/11 at 11:50 pm to blueslover
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I think ya need to go beyond statistics in evaluating football players
+1
This post was edited on 2/23/11 at 11:52 pm
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