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re: NFL.com's Chad Reuter Mock Draft
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:52 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/1/17 at 10:52 am to bonethug0108
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But that does not mean he is a still or unathletic player. When you watch the tape he can bend super low under the tackle to take the edge. It does affect his spin move to a degree, but technique was the bigger issue there.
I dont think he is unathletic at all. He's a well coordinated athlete, he just has some limitations which arent good for an NFL player. I sense he'll drop a little like shaq lawson did last year. Because picking in the first is about mitigating risks, and he has a few with him
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 10:53 am
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:11 pm to Lester Earl
I can agree with your viewpoint.
I just don't view his limitations as that limiting.
The one thing I really see that could cause major trouble if he doesn't develop it is lack of rush moves. That is going to determine how good he is going to be.
I just don't view his limitations as that limiting.
The one thing I really see that could cause major trouble if he doesn't develop it is lack of rush moves. That is going to determine how good he is going to be.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
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I sense he'll drop a little like shaq lawson did last year
+1
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:38 am to Lester Earl
C Jones
Barnett
Just because you keep harping on the 40, the "great" Chandler Jones ran .01 second faster than Barnett and he turned out pretty great.
Hell their speed numbers are pretty close and Jones didn't blow away the jump numbers.
The only number out of line between them is the 3 cone, which Barnett blew away. I think they said he ranked 4th this year at the combine, and was only .01 seconds behind Thomas.
Jones does have 2" on him, but the weight isn't far off.
The big difference between them there is arm length, but Barnett makes up for his shorter arms by being the best hand fighter in this draft.
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40 YARD DASH: 4.87 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 22 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 35.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 120.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.07 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.38 SEC
Barnett
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40 YARD DASH: 4.88 SEC
VERTICAL JUMP: 31.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 117.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 6.96 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.44 SEC
Just because you keep harping on the 40, the "great" Chandler Jones ran .01 second faster than Barnett and he turned out pretty great.
Hell their speed numbers are pretty close and Jones didn't blow away the jump numbers.
The only number out of line between them is the 3 cone, which Barnett blew away. I think they said he ranked 4th this year at the combine, and was only .01 seconds behind Thomas.
Jones does have 2" on him, but the weight isn't far off.
The big difference between them there is arm length, but Barnett makes up for his shorter arms by being the best hand fighter in this draft.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 8:42 am
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:41 am to bonethug0108
And jones dropped to pick 21. Cause there's ialways risk involved when the workouts are sub par. Most guys can't cut it. Very few do. No matter how good of a college player you are
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:47 am to Lester Earl
Just pointing out another "outlier", and a more recent one since Suggs wasn't enough to satisfy.
Just watch the kids tape. He can play. Teach him some moves and a better angle to the QB and he could go from good to great.
He isn't a one dimensional player like some of the other top pass rushers.
Just watch the kids tape. He can play. Teach him some moves and a better angle to the QB and he could go from good to great.
He isn't a one dimensional player like some of the other top pass rushers.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:58 am to bonethug0108
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Just pointing out another "outlier", and a more recent one since Suggs wasn't enough to satisfy.
well, i mean you finding 2 is still proving my point. 2 out of what, 120 or so DE/edge players around the NFL just last year? and you can search for recently retired players too. I mean do you know how many players we are talking about? hunderds, bubba
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Just watch the kids tape. He can play. Teach him some moves and a better angle to the QB and he could go from good to great.
hey anyone that disruptive will look good on tape. Jarvis Jones looked great on tape and still convinced a team to draft him high despite poo athleticism. You want the tape to match the athleticism and when it does you are much more comfortable taking a player at 11
Posted on 4/2/17 at 10:33 am to Lester Earl
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hey anyone that disruptive will look good on tape. Jarvis Jones looked great on tape and still convinced a team to draft him high despite poo athleticism.
Derek Barnett & Jarvis Jones are nowhere near being the same type of athlete. (Jones short shuttle - 4.71. Barnett short shuttle- 4.44.) The only similarity is the 40 time which you seem to be stuck on. Jones is stiff as a board to go along with being a poor athlete. Barnett has great flexibility which is why the comparison to Suggs is appropriate. Jones racked up sack numbers against some of the worst offensive lines in the last 10 years in the SEC. Barnett did not. Jones also had questions about a spinal condition on top of his poor measurables that caused his drop in stock.
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Jarvis Jones is regarded by some to be the best overall player heading into April's 2013 NFL draft, but his diagnosis of cervical spinal stenosis may make teams shy away from calling him to the podium and rightly so.
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As Conn's story discusses, doctors discovered Jones' cervical spinal stenosis during their evaluation of his neck sprain. After initially being told he would likely play again, USC physicians did not feel comfortable clearing him to return. Later on, however, re-evaluation by other medical staffs led to his reinstatement into the sport, demonstrating the uncertainty that currently exists in the medical community regarding how to handle the condition.
To understand spinal stenosis, picture a vertical PVC pipe with a rope dangled down the center. The pipe represents the 33 vertebrae that make up the spine. Under normal conditions, each vertebra encircles the spinal cord—represented by the rope—thereby protecting it.
In spinal stenosis, one or more vertebrae encloses the spinal cord more tightly than usual. To put it another way, part of the PVC pipe is narrower than normal—or "stenotic."
Jones' case involves the fourth and fifth of seven cervical vertebrae—the vertebrae that make up the spine at the level of the neck—called C4 and C5 for short.
So, what's the big deal? After all, unlike fellow draft prospect Walter Stewart, Jones' vertebrae are intact and still fully protecting his spinal cord, right? Well, in one way, they are.
Yet in another way, they aren't.
The smaller diameter of the PVC pipe in spinal stenosis means there is less room between the incredibly sensitive nerves of the spinal cord and the rock-hard vertebrae of the spine.
LINK
Your comparisons & evaluations are poo just like Jarvis Jones measurables.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 10:44 am to BigBrod81
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Derek Barnett & Jarvis Jones are nowhere near being the same type of athlete.
You have poor comprehension skills, brody. I never compared their athleticism in my post. I said Jones had great tape, which the Steelers thought would win out over his poor athleticism. He had 28 sacks in 2 years in the SEC. That is going to look good on tape. His athleticism didnt match, and as i said in my post, is generally a red flag; proceed with caution.
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The only similarity is the 40 time which you seem to be stuck on
Jones had a better 10yd split
1.66 vs 1.70
Vert
30.5" vs 31"
but yea, everything!
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:20 am to Lester Earl
His athleticism is fine. His three cone is great and he had decent jump numbers.
Only the 40 was lower than wanted. That doesn't measure athleticism. That's top end speed. He won't be running 40s on the field (unless a play goes horribly wrong).
It wasn't low enough to have major concerns.
Only the 40 was lower than wanted. That doesn't measure athleticism. That's top end speed. He won't be running 40s on the field (unless a play goes horribly wrong).
It wasn't low enough to have major concerns.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:02 pm to bonethug0108
His jump numbers aren't decent for a 259lb guy that you want to take in the top 11. If he were explosive you'd see better results which would yield a better 40. I taught BigBrod a few weeks ago how all these correlate.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:05 pm to Lester Earl
Well what's good numbers and what's bad numbers for a guy his size? And where is the average range?
They don't look comparatively bad to me when looking at other guys. Average yes. Not concerning.
They don't look comparatively bad to me when looking at other guys. Average yes. Not concerning.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:07 pm to Lester Earl
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Jarvis Jones looked great on tape and still convinced a team to draft him high despite poo athleticism.
You pretty much made the comparison between Barnett & Jones there.
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I said Jones had great tape, which the Steelers thought would win out over his poor athleticism. He had 28 sacks in 2 years in the SEC. That is going to look good on tape.
Not all tape is equal. Competition matters. During those 2 years, Missouri, Florida & Tennessee had some terrible offensive lines. Between those SEC teams & FCS competition is where Jones compiled many of his sacks. His sack numbers were fools gold.
In 2011, Jones created nightmares for the hobbled John Brantley. Jones racked up six tackles, four sacks and a forced fumble in route to a 24-20 win.
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This year (2012) he was even better, totaling 13 tackles, two forced fumbles and three sacks.
LINK
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As bad as things were for Florida's offense last season, it's worse in 2011.
Not much, granted, but worse. Three yards and less than two points per game, in fact.
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The offensive line has struggled, and the receivers have, with a few exceptions in certain games, been a non-factor in the offense. Deonte Thompson leads all wide receivers with 19 catches. Andre Debose has 423 yards and four touchdowns on only 15 catches, and he's the only receiver with more than 237 yards receiving.
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Georgia head coach Mark Richt announced after the Missouri game on Saturday that All-American linebacker Jarvis Jones injured his groin during practice that week.
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The injury didn’t stop Jones, however, as he recorded nine tackles, two sacks, an interception and a forced fumble.
Jones also added the SEC Defensive Player of the Week accolade to his stat line.
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Missouri's offensive line entered last night's game against No. 7 Georgia already having lost two projected starters during fall camp.
Things didn't get better.
The line lost another starter — Elvis Fisher — last night and received the rudest of SEC welcomes from Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones in the 41-20 loss to the Bulldogs.
Jones harassed the line all night, forcing a victory-securing fumble and countless quarterback pressures, against an OL that played the entire second half without Fisher, the anchor of a youthful group.
Fisher injured the MCL in his right knee with about five minutes left in the second quarter, forcing the line to shuffle. It's unclear when he'll return.
LINK
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:16 pm to BigBrod81
Not to mention Barnett was more consistent in his productuon. He never had a skewed game that brought his numbers way up.
The most sacks he's had in a game is 3 (twice) and he still finished with 32 sacks in 3 years.
Oh and his tackle numbers are pretty good too, including tackles for a loss.
He's had less than 3 tackles in only 6 of 39 games. 4 of those were blowout wins (2 which he barely saw the field). The other two were losses to Alabama and Vanderbilt.
On the flipside he only had over 8 tackles twice, so his tackle numbers aren't skewed by some big games here and there.
And those were against legit teams in Ole Miss (10) and Oklahoma (15).
The most sacks he's had in a game is 3 (twice) and he still finished with 32 sacks in 3 years.
Oh and his tackle numbers are pretty good too, including tackles for a loss.
He's had less than 3 tackles in only 6 of 39 games. 4 of those were blowout wins (2 which he barely saw the field). The other two were losses to Alabama and Vanderbilt.
On the flipside he only had over 8 tackles twice, so his tackle numbers aren't skewed by some big games here and there.
And those were against legit teams in Ole Miss (10) and Oklahoma (15).
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:27 pm to BigBrod81
fill in the blank for me
The Pittsburgh Steelers selected Jarvis jones 17th overall in 2013 because _____________________________.
The Pittsburgh Steelers selected Jarvis jones 17th overall in 2013 because _____________________________.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:29 pm to Lester Earl
they aren't as good at drafting as everyone claims.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:40 pm to bonethug0108
I think you missed the point
Posted on 4/2/17 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
I think I nailed it. Go look at their last 10 drafts. They've hit on a few guys but have had some big misses.
Btw I REALLY wanted Shazier that year.
Btw Payton had that one nailed. He said Jones was not even in the same bubble as Vaccaro. So I guess every now and then they get things right.
Btw I REALLY wanted Shazier that year.
Btw Payton had that one nailed. He said Jones was not even in the same bubble as Vaccaro. So I guess every now and then they get things right.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 4/2/17 at 1:02 pm to bonethug0108
Again the question was why would anyone take Jones in the first round? It just happened to be Pittsburgh.
His tape wasn't good. Shitty workout. He just racked up 28 sacks on accident against bad OL, I guess.
The question isn't alluding that they are a good drafting team.
His tape wasn't good. Shitty workout. He just racked up 28 sacks on accident against bad OL, I guess.
The question isn't alluding that they are a good drafting team.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 1:05 pm to Lester Earl
A lot of (stupid) people thought he may go top 10. If Pit doesn't grab him he likely falls into the 20s if not later.
Pit reached for him. Most teams had him pegged right.
Not to mention the character issues (lazy arse) Pit ignored because they thought they could get him to work.
Pit reached for him. Most teams had him pegged right.
Not to mention the character issues (lazy arse) Pit ignored because they thought they could get him to work.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 1:07 pm
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