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re: NFL.com's Chad Reuter Mock Draft
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:44 pm to rmnldr
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:44 pm to rmnldr
Trash? What in the frick?
Not that I agreed with your points, but at least there was thought behind them.
But now to say Barnett will be trash (after you just said a few posts up you like him) is fricking insane.
And Les, you are citing one measurable, which was not terrible, and ignoring all the others.
You do realize Taco ran a WORSE 40 than Barnett, right? And he ran a much worse 3 cone?
I mean what in the actual frick is going on on this thread?
Not that I agreed with your points, but at least there was thought behind them.
But now to say Barnett will be trash (after you just said a few posts up you like him) is fricking insane.
And Les, you are citing one measurable, which was not terrible, and ignoring all the others.
You do realize Taco ran a WORSE 40 than Barnett, right? And he ran a much worse 3 cone?
I mean what in the actual frick is going on on this thread?
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Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:45 pm to Rand AlThor
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But I've cooled on him a lot.
Yeah, so much confidence in Beasley that you "cooled" on the 2016 NFL leader in sacks. You are a crustly a-hole who doesn't know squat.
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:47 pm to bonethug0108
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Trash? What in the frick?
Alright I'm being harsh here just to piss ole boy off. Barnett isn't going to be trash. He'll be a poor man's Shane Ray or a Kikaha but he isn't going to be some premier DE.
Taco Charlton is an unpolished Joey Bosa.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:47 pm to bonethug0108
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I mean what in the actual frick is going on on this thread?
He is either a dumbfrick or trolling.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:48 pm to bonethug0108
And on the point of Barnett or bust, I NEVER said that. I said I prefer Barnett over Taco. I even went on to say I'd be okay with Taco, but not at 11.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:49 pm to bonethug0108
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I'd be okay with Taco, but not at 11.
What do you think about the clips I linked? I haven't seen Barnett do anything like that in all of the tape I've watched.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:51 pm to Lester Earl
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Would you not agree that the odds are against him?
Nope, the odds are in his favor because he scores highly with other physical attributes besides a 40 time & his intangibles are off the charts in a positive direction.
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And Suggs didn't go 5th overall
Sorry, he was slated to go top 5 but fell to the 10 spot. I bet Baltimore loved every bit of him falling too.
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:55 pm to rmnldr
Barnett didn't do more moves mostly because he killed people with his get off and bend. He has a spin move in progress that if he develops will be an absolutely killer combined with his bend.
He also has on rare occasion ripped inside. I can't say I recall a swim move in there.
And yeah Taco can do more moves, but not all of it is consistently effective.
But like I said, moves can be taught. You can't teach bend. You either have that or you don't and he is far and away the best bender in this class. Once he gets that spin move he can become a very good rusher.
He also has on rare occasion ripped inside. I can't say I recall a swim move in there.
And yeah Taco can do more moves, but not all of it is consistently effective.
But like I said, moves can be taught. You can't teach bend. You either have that or you don't and he is far and away the best bender in this class. Once he gets that spin move he can become a very good rusher.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:55 pm to bonethug0108
I like Barnett over taco 8 days a week. Dont know why that's directed at me. shite at one point I had Barnett in the top 5. I won't be mad if we pick him as I think he prob runs mid 4.7s if he doesn't pull up today. Just wish we could see a healthy workout
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:57 pm to bonethug0108
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But like I said, moves can be taught. You can't teach bend.
And I showed that Taco has bend that's very close to what Barnett has. What do you have to say about that? Considering he's 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier I think that's pretty impressive.
Not to mention that Barnett doesn't whoop arse through strength like Taco does. Taco can destroy a tackle when anchoring and when rushing.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 11:58 pm to Lester Earl
Well shut the frick up then & stop being a frickin retard. This board has enough of them as is.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:00 am to Lester Earl
And it's crazy to judge him on two workouts not at his best. But even not at his best that isn't a terrible 40.
But when you actually watch his game his get off is excellent and his bend supreme. That little lack of top end spend doesn't kill his game.
I have to agree if there is one big knock on him it's lack of moves. If he can develop more he will be a very good pass rusher. If he can't he'll still be an above average one.
But my money is on that spin move getting better and he can start killing guys inside and out.
But when you actually watch his game his get off is excellent and his bend supreme. That little lack of top end spend doesn't kill his game.
I have to agree if there is one big knock on him it's lack of moves. If he can develop more he will be a very good pass rusher. If he can't he'll still be an above average one.
But my money is on that spin move getting better and he can start killing guys inside and out.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:01 am to rmnldr
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Not to mention that Barnett doesn't whoop arse through strength like Taco does
This fricker is trolling. I'm out.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:02 am to BigBrod81
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This fricker is trolling. I'm out.
You'll come around eventually.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:17 am to rmnldr
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And I showed that Taco has bend that's very close to what Barnett has. What do you have to say about that?
No no no no no no no.
I watched the video that you posted (the 7 minute Wisconsin clip) where you said it showed him bending.
He literally tried to bend twice all game. The first time he fell to the ground (looked untouched but a team mate may have bumped him a little) and the second time the lineman pushed him down and another one pushed him down again as he tried to get up.
I'm wondering if you know what the frick bend is at all. Because if you've actually watched Barnett like you claimed you would see what actual bend is.
I did see a quick (and I mean quick) shoulder dip maybe 3-4 times upon contact around the edge, but it was ineffective EVERY SINGLE TIME.
He has a decent spin, but it is not violent. He has a nice swim, but again is inconsistent in effectiveness.
And I watched him get pushed back every single time when the ran power to his side. His anchor was not good.
I saw absolutely no power to his rush like you claim he has. Anytime he tried power he was stonewalled.
I am questioning every single thing you've said about both players, minus the amount of moves they've shown. It's about the only thing you got right.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 12:20 am
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:18 am to rmnldr
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Not to mention that Barnett doesn't whoop arse through strength like Taco does. Taco can destroy a tackle when anchoring and when rushing.
Power is not his game, but Barnett shows better power and anchor in both pass rush and run defense.
Taco got destroyed everytime the tackle ran right at him.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:28 am to bonethug0108
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He literally tried to bend twice all game. The first time he fell to the ground (looked untouched but a team mate may have bumped him a little) and the second time the lineman pushed him down and another one pushed him down again as he tried to get up.
I'm wondering if you know what the frick bend is at all. Because if you've actually watched Barnett like you claimed you would see what actual bend is.
I did see a quick (and I mean quick) shoulder dip maybe 3-4 times upon contact around the edge, but it was ineffective EVERY SINGLE TIME
As it's been said a million times. He's unpolished. He needs to learn this. At least he's doing it. He's not as slippery as Barnett because he's not 6'3 250ish. He's a completely different guy. He can still get around a tackle though his bend is fine.
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He has a decent spin, but it is not violent. He has a nice swim, but again is inconsistent in effectiveness.
His spin is more violent than Barnett's. His swim is also better than Barnett's.
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And I watched him get pushed back every single time when the ran power to his side. His anchor was not good.
Alright now you're just flat out lying. First off "ran power" means literally nothing. Taco won't ever be affected by a power run at DE. If they run at Taco they usually don't get very far. If he gets pushed back he quickly regains it. More often than not he holds his ground or shoves the tackle back. In this Wisconsin tape he's going up against Ramczyk who's apparently one of the top tackles. He's going to lose some just like anyone else would.
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I saw absolutely no power to his rush like you claim he has. Anytime he tried power he was stonewalled.
The Wisconsin tape isn't good for showing any power moves by him and he doesn't bull rush at all.
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I am questioning every single thing you've said about both players, minus the amount of moves they've shown. It's about the only thing you got right.
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Power is not his game, but Barnett shows better power and anchor in both pass rush and run defense.
Taco got destroyed everytime the tackle ran right at him.
And you're gonna get mad at me for saying Barnett will be trash? I say Barnett should be an OLB and you say nah he's fine at DE. Then you turn around and say that power isn't his game. Even then you turn around and say he's more powerful and a better anchor.
Then you say Taco gets destroyed when they run at him? Wtf are you smoking dude? Take off the Creamsicle orange glasses.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 12:30 am
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:30 am to rmnldr
He had no bend. And it's not something you learn. You're either a bender or you're not. Taco is not a bender. I've never seen him do it (without falling, which at that point makes him toast).
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:32 am to bonethug0108
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He had no bend. And it's not something you learn. You're either a bender or you're not. Taco is not a bender. I've never seen him do it (without falling, which at that point makes him toast).
You absolutely have to learn how to bend. Wtf are you talking about? If you don't understand the fundamentals of DL play you're not going to be able to do any of that.
And I agree that Taco isn't known for bending the edge but he certainly can do it.
Posted on 4/1/17 at 12:32 am to bonethug0108
I don't think you even watch the shite you post.
He got pushed back at least 3-4 times in that game when the tackle ran right at him.
He was basically a non factor in the run game.
He got pushed back at least 3-4 times in that game when the tackle ran right at him.
He was basically a non factor in the run game.
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