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New Orleans Has The Right To Complain About Brutal Non-Call Forever

Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Mrwhodat
Member since Dec 2015
10296 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:34 pm
By Michael Hurley, CBS Boston
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This was not your standard bad call. This was not a questionable penalty made in the third quarter. This was not something that could have easily been overcome with some focus and some gusto. 

This was a missed call that literally took a Super Bowl trip away from the Saints.


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Putting this one in bold, here: That one missed call made it 21 percent less likely that the Saints would win the game. 

That one missed call turned a 91 percent chance of winning to a 70 percent chance of winning. 

This was no ordinary blown call. This was as significant a blown call as could ever be imagined.


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To ignore the complete change in status from “almost certainly winning” to “has a chance to win” and to then deride the Saints for not winning is to miss the whole point.


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Sean Payton’s play calling in that situation was bold and aggressive, which some would consider risky. But it also worked. 

The Rams were completely out of position to make a stop on that play. The Saints would have had a first down and could have drained almost the entire clock. 

The officials just didn’t do their job.


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Here’s what smells the most about this whole thing. Bill Vinovich was the referee for this game. 

It was not his responsibility to throw a flag for pass interference, as he’s in the backfield. He’s looking for roughing the passer or holding or hands to the face along the line. So the fact that a flag didn’t come out for pass interference is not his fault. (The responsibility would lie with the field judge or, in some cases, the back judge or the line judge.) 

However … what is his fault is that he lied after the game. 
Vinovich had to face the music and speak to a pool reporter after the game. 

His answers were completely gutless, displaying the type of pass-the-buck mentality that comes from the top. 
“It’s a judgment call by the officials,” Vinovich said. “I personally have not seen the play.” 

The reporter asked a follow-up question: “You said you didn’t see the play, correct?” 
Vinovich replied: “Correct.” 

That’s all well and good, but the thing with the NFL is that there are cameras everywhere. 

Vinovich, as a referee who sees multiple camera angles on every replay, has to know that. So he had to have known that footage would emerge of him staring directly at the play. 


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Vinovich’s answer was a complete and total cop-out. And it was also proven with video evidence to be a lie. 

That’s why the world can’t simply sit back and say “Well it was a bad call but the Saints still could have won the game.” 

That lets far too many people off the hook, people who deserve to be held accountable for what took place. 

That includes the officials on the field, it includes Vinovich for not telling the truth, and it includes commissioner Roger Goodell, who’s been startlingly silent throughout this entire ordeal. 

This is a league that lacks leadership, and this instance is just the latest example. 

Shifting the blame to the Saints just lets too many people off the hook. 

For every organization not based in New England, Super Bowls are rare moments.

The Saints, in their 52-year history, have had the honor of playing in the Super Bowl just once. 

This was their chance to play in the NFL’s biggest game for just the second time ever. 

It was taken away from them. The players, coaches, and fans have every right to make as big a deal out of this one as they want, and for however they long they want.












Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
13331 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:52 pm to
Yup. That was a hell of an article. And when Rams fans complain that everyone else in the nation is tired of our whining, it's fun to read stuff from all over the country defending our grievances. (Also, outside of LA, ATL, and MINN, no one thinks we are wrong in being upset)
Posted by Me
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2003
4819 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:25 pm to
Well he is responsible for calling the hands to Brees' face on the OT INT but he didn't see that either.
Posted by warlock1974
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2015
1700 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:26 pm to
There is a link to the writer's email in the article.

I emailed him and thanked him as a Saints and as a Football fan and suggest that you do the same.

I would post the link to his email but it would be a disservice to him and his article. You should read the entire article.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Me
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2003
4819 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:41 pm to
Email sent. For the most part we are going to be on our own. Really need something similar to happen to another organization.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18644 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:41 pm to
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I email him and thanked him as a Saints and as a Football fan and suggest that you do the same.


You're right. I did too.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17527 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:23 pm to
well it is spot on. Funny that ot is from Boston too. If it weren't the Patriots, who are in the Suoer Bowl every year this Super Bowl would have forever be mired in controversy. It still is imagine. The Pats aren't paper champions, but as bad as this Super Bowl was, there will always be a "what if" and it's actually legitamate.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:54 pm to
I'm glad we got the 2009 SB. Saints won that.

I got to share that with people I cared about before they passed away. But its moments like those, memories and commonalities to reflect on decades later.

This may be someone's last year. I'm sure plenty of dedicated fans passed away before 2009.

Fans looked to things like the NFL, or sports moments to help at times be a staple of a life landmark..which can be a conversation piece in so many ways.

Just another thing to consider. When you think of what Rodger Goodell and the referee crew obviously took away. Cause had they never won in 2009, I wouldn't be against violence.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18644 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:49 pm to
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This may be someone's last year. I'm sure plenty of dedicated fans passed away before 2009.


My grandpa who was a HUGE Saints fan since the franchise's first year, was a shell of a person (Alzheimer's/Dementia) in 2009 and died before we reached the Super Bowl.

Life's not fair, that's for fricking sure.
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 10:26 pm to
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The players, coaches, and fans have every right to make as big a deal out of this one as they want, and for however they long they want.


Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 8:32 am to
I also emailed him this morning, mentioning my thoughts that this is something any true fan of the NFL should be concerned about, not just Saints fan. Baddell is allowing the league to slip into a terrible place if the refs can behave like this with impunity.
All football fans, both college and pros, should demand that this kind of performance will not go unpunished.
Posted by TarponKing
Grand Cayman
Member since Feb 2019
298 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 9:06 am to
Done.
Posted by Mrwhodat
Member since Dec 2015
10296 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:57 pm to
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You should read the entire article.



The article is too long to post here and formatting was an issue.

The entire article is a must read and addresses all the criticisms the Saints coaching staff and players are receiving in a point by point basis.

The NFL contrived narrative blaming the Saints for the loss is blown completely apart by the author.

For anyone wishing to counter the troll arguments or points made, the specifics of this article addresses the last 2 minutes of the game and the permutations and combinations available and the time management of selected outcomes.

Posted by Crazy Hoss
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
350 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:22 pm to
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Really need something similar to happen to another organization.


But yeah, it had to happen to the Saints of course.

Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18644 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 8:40 pm to
Michael Hurley responded to my email, in which I praised his excellent article and lamented that the broader NFL fanbase could possibly forget and move on from this:

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Thanks. I appreciate that. Given my experiences with the NFL completely hosing franchises … I’m not sure anyone else will properly remember the moment. Just stinks. But those who know, will always know.
Posted by Me
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2003
4819 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 9:10 pm to
Wow he just responded to me too. Said that he thinks it was more a case of incompetence than a fix and said it was a rotten situation that shouldn't have happened.
Props to him for the article and the email back.
Posted by Zeek
Nashville Tn
Member since May 2013
681 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 9:47 pm to
1000 up votes
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7610 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:20 pm to
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Said that he thinks it was more a case of incompetence than a fix and said it was a rotten situation that shouldn't have happened.


It wasn't incompetence. It was a fix in front of the world. When one of the refs runs towards another ref telling him not to throw that flag, and you have Vinovich lying to everyone saying he didn't see it, well it doesn't get more rigged than that.

The Nfl needed the Rams in the Super Bowl. It's as simple as that.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57137 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 6:18 am to
Perhaps, but had the Saints made a crucial 3rd down stop they would have been in the Super Bowl. The non-call was horrible, but so was the Saints defense on the Rams' ensuing possession.
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 2/7/19 at 6:35 am to
Hurley answered mine also.
Said our rage is totally justified,
“Lousy situation”
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 6:36 am
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