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re: Khiry > Ingram
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:06 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:06 pm to LNCHBOX
I'm talking this year. I thought he looked better last year in more limited action. He had 4 100+ games this year, but one of those was 100 yards on 30 carries against Carolina for 3.3 ypc. They gave up 4.5 ypc this year. So that's not a great game for me. Actually, he averaged 7+ ypc against the Browns, so that was a very good game too even though they were dead last in rush D this year.
He did look good in the playoffs last year, but the timing of that fumbled killed the season. I don't really hold that against him because it happens. His body of work just hasn't been that great. I was incorrect on what I said earlier. His longest run in 4 years is 35 yards and that was in his first year. That's just not cutting it.
He did look good in the playoffs last year, but the timing of that fumbled killed the season. I don't really hold that against him because it happens. His body of work just hasn't been that great. I was incorrect on what I said earlier. His longest run in 4 years is 35 yards and that was in his first year. That's just not cutting it.
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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I should credit the O line for letting him rush for only 3 yards per carry? You serious?
But on the road against a very good front 7 according to you. Or does that only apply to the RB?
See how you immediately jumped to an excuse for him then balked at that being applied to the O-line.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:10 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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He just hasn't done enough to pay him a lot of money.
Agree, but it's not a knock on him. He looked alot better this year and that's talking as a Saints fan first, Gump second. However, he is not cut out to be a 2 carry and out back and that's what the Saints want him to be. The Saints can get their production and spend a ton less on a late round back in the draft next year or pick up another older RB in FA that can prolong his career and probably cost much less.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:12 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Longest run determines a RB success? That's just asinine. Our offense passes for big plays.
Ingram has been a good back since he came back from the tie injury last year. He is as consistent as the o line will let him be.
People like yourself have hold his first couple years against him. In your eyes, he'll beer be good enough because of his first couple years.
Ingram has been a good back since he came back from the tie injury last year. He is as consistent as the o line will let him be.
People like yourself have hold his first couple years against him. In your eyes, he'll beer be good enough because of his first couple years.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:14 pm to saintsfan22
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But on the road against a very good front 7 according to you. Or does that only apply to the RB?
It honestly goes more to the play calling for that particular game
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See how you immediately jumped to an excuse for him then balked at that being applied to the O-line.
Saying he's only as good as the O line plays isn't an excuse. It's reality.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:15 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:His price will be higher than normal because he is young and has now shown he can handle a full workload and produce.
He just hasn't done enough to pay him a lot of money.
Most good backs don't see FA at his age(25).
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:17 pm to lsuguru
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Khiry > Ingram
truth
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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It honestly goes more to the play calling for that particular game
Always something...
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:20 pm to saintsfan22
Ingram has been good for they last season and a half. Sorry you can't see that. Now if this thread had been titled KR production per $ > MI production per dollar, y'all might be on to something. But simply comparing who is better results in ingr being the guy.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:23 pm to LNCHBOX
I really think Ingram is one of those power backs that will have a rough three or four years then reel off a handful of 1,000 plus yard and double digit TD type seasons. Kind of like Thomas Jones, Ahman Green, Cedric Benson or Robert Smith. I've hated him as much as anyone on here, but I think we will be sorry if we don't resign him.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:25 pm to LNCHBOX
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Longest run determines a RB success? That's just asinine. Our offense passes for big plays.
I didn't say that. But it sure as hell plays into it. The longer runs you have, the more you help your team and your ypc average. That should be obvious. He was a 1st-round pick. I'm sorry if your expectations are so low for a 1st-round NFL pick making millions.
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Ingram has been a good back since he came back from the tie injury last year. He is as consistent as the o line will let him be.
He has been good at times. The rest is just an excuse. An elite back makes things happen even if he doesn't have the best O-line.
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People like yourself have hold his first couple years against him. In your eyes, he'll beer be good enough because of his first couple years.
Huh? Quit drinking.
I'm looking at his whole body of work and it just is not that good. Quit making excuses for him. I'm not saying he's bad. He just hasn't panned out.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:27 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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I didn't say that.
You've brought it up at least twice. Obviously you think it's a major factor.
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He has been good at times. The rest is just an excuse. An elite back makes things happen even if he doesn't have the best O-line.
Who claimed he's elite? The topic of this thread is KR being better than him, and that is false.
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I'm looking at his whole body of work and it just is not that good. Quit making excuses for him. I'm not saying he's bad. He just hasn't panned out.
So you're doing exactly what I said you are. He's been good for the last year and a half, but since he was not great his first two years you will never acknowledge him being good now.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:28 pm to LNCHBOX
He's absolutely been better but still very replaceable.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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You've brought it up at least twice. Obviously you think it's a major factor. [/quote]
Yes, I brought it up. I didn't say it defines a player. You want your RB to break big ones. Please name me a team or a RB that doesn't. And yes, it is a factor when talking about how successful a RB is. Again, longer runs help your team score and they boost the RBs ypc which is important in defining a player's success.
Nobody. And nobody would. That's a problem because he was the 1st-round pick four years ago. I said I didn't know if Khiry was better than him because I haven't seen Khiry enough. They seem comparable though. I assume Ingram is better since the coaches are playing him. We know what the Saints do on offense though. I don't see much changing, so I'm not sure it makes sense for us to keep him around.
You've brought it up at least twice. Obviously you think it's a major factor. [/quote]
Yes, I brought it up. I didn't say it defines a player. You want your RB to break big ones. Please name me a team or a RB that doesn't. And yes, it is a factor when talking about how successful a RB is. Again, longer runs help your team score and they boost the RBs ypc which is important in defining a player's success.
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Who claimed he's elite? The topic of this thread is KR being better than him, and that is false.
Nobody. And nobody would. That's a problem because he was the 1st-round pick four years ago. I said I didn't know if Khiry was better than him because I haven't seen Khiry enough. They seem comparable though. I assume Ingram is better since the coaches are playing him. We know what the Saints do on offense though. I don't see much changing, so I'm not sure it makes sense for us to keep him around.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 9:47 pm to Big EZ Tiger
So all first round picks or either elite or busts in your opinion?
Regardless, this has nothing to do with the thread. Ingram is a better back than Robinson.
Regardless, this has nothing to do with the thread. Ingram is a better back than Robinson.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:02 pm to LNCHBOX
Well, you expect you're 1st-round picks in the NFL to be elite . It doesn't mean they hold no value or that they're complete busts if they don't play at the level everyone expected. But there is a level of disappointment.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:07 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Expecting 32 elite players to enter the league is absurd. And again, you've completely gone off topic.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:25 pm to LNCHBOX
Guys in the top 5 are expected to be elite. 6-12ish are expected to be all pros. 13-24ish are expected to be pro bowlers(a couple of times maybe).
Very few first rounders meet those expectations.
Very few first rounders meet those expectations.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:28 pm to LNCHBOX
Yeah, expecting 32 players that are paid millions to be elite four years after they were drafted is really crazy.
I know getting off topic never happens on a message board, so for that I am sorry.
Now, back to the topic, Khiry>Ingram. He has had a higher ypc average (with worse offensive lines) than Ingram had in his first two years in the league. He had a higer ypc average than him by over half a yard this year. There, you happy?
I'm messing with you.
I know getting off topic never happens on a message board, so for that I am sorry.
Now, back to the topic, Khiry>Ingram. He has had a higher ypc average (with worse offensive lines) than Ingram had in his first two years in the league. He had a higer ypc average than him by over half a yard this year. There, you happy?
I'm messing with you.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:36 pm to Big EZ Tiger
You're ridiculous. Typical LSU fan that can't support a Gump.
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