re: Kamara catch was incomplete. Should have been ruled as so

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How are you still doing this

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Aren’t you still doing this

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The ball was moving and needs to be secured when the first foot touched

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I disagree but have no real desire to argue since the video tells the story about whether the ball was moving.

I’m asking whether it would be a catch if it was NOT moving before the first foot came down and assuming it didn’t move afterward.

You indicated before you still didn’t think it was a catch.

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You or anybody else including officials (Have no idea why everyone on this board is suddenly in love with officiating in the NFL and the replay booth) Can determine in a fraction of a millisecond that the ball was secure and first foot down Sorry Not changing my opinion And I’ve seen it many times before when it hurt the Saints and other teams The reason instant replay was created Was so a bad call couldn’t determine a game “instant” replay is often as bad as the bad calls on the field If the exact play happened to the Redskins The vast majority on this thread would have a different argument

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You didn’t answer the question.

Same question for you

If the ball was moving…..

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Same question for you If the ball was moving…..

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I’ve been very clear.

The process starts when the ball is secure.

If it was moving when the first of two feet came down, it would be incomplete.

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I’m not doing that. I don’t think it was moving.

You think it was.

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You are avoiding the question

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I’ve been very clear.

The process starts when the ball is secure.

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The ball was secure (maybe in slow motion)
It is impossible for the ball to be secure in the fraction of a millisecond

It’s preposterous to think so

Do you think “secure” is touching the ball for the fraction of a millisecond

I don’t think so

Maybe you do

I respect your opinion

I respectfully disagree

I do appreciate your back and forth in a civil way

As opposed to most of the knuckle draggers on this thread

And quite often on this board

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The ball was secure (maybe in slow motion) It is impossible for the ball to be secure in the fraction of a millisecond

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I mentioned in another thread that I can’t tell if you are getting confused by semantics or trying to use semantics to confuse the situation and make a point.

The receiver must control the ball to start the process of a catch. That control happens when the ball is no longer moving in relation to the hands or arms or whatever part he gains control with. A ball being bobbled or tipped from one hand to another is not controlled.

A ball squeezed by a hand and not moving in relation to the hand is in control. This is what happened with the Kamara catch.

Now, that’s just the beginning of the process. He must also get two feet down and sometimes needs to survive the ground. But if all that happens after control and the ball stays in control it’s a catch.

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Every catch ever goes from not secure to secure in a millisecond.

That’s when the process begins.

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Really

So if you have two feet on the ground at the same time

And at the same time you have the ball “secured” in both hands for a millisecond

Then a defender hits you after the millisecond and the ball comes loose

Is that a catch?

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Really

So if you have two feet on the ground at the same time

And at the same time you have the ball “secured” in both hands for a millisecond

Then a defender hits you after the millisecond and the ball comes loose

Is that a catch?

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You misunderstand.

I'm not saying the catch occurred in a millisecond. I'm saying the securing of the ball happens in a millisecond. The process begins when the ball is secure. The catch occurs after the process of the catch is completed.

In your example the receiver has to maintain control through the contact and perhaps through the ground unless he can take a 3rd step or make a football move before it is a catch.

In the Kamara example, he never lost the ball. It never moved.