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re: Ingram Recruiting Haters
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:12 pm to blueslover
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:12 pm to blueslover
he played well toward end of year and playoffs ... hopefully he can take next step
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:12 pm to saintsfan22
What if he put up richardson numbers from year 1?
3.9ypc but 1k yards
3.9ypc but 1k yards
Posted on 4/13/14 at 11:19 pm to htran90
quote:
3.9ypc but 1k yards
That'd be much better
Posted on 4/14/14 at 7:45 am to saintsfan22
why would that be better? Because he breaks some arbitrary yardage total despite being less efficient while running the ball?
bullshite.
And for that matter, when was the last time a Saints RB broke 1k rushing in a season? Deuce in 2006?
bullshite.
And for that matter, when was the last time a Saints RB broke 1k rushing in a season? Deuce in 2006?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 7:58 am to saintsfan22
So you'd like him to run for more yards but be less efficient in the process? That would be below his career average (4.1) and well below his average last year (4.9).
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:05 am to Patrick O Rly
saintsfan22 is justy clearly ate up with Inghram hate. Ingram could have the best numbers of any back on our team, and guys like saintsfan22 will say get rid of him. But they have no bias at all 
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:15 am to bonethug0108
quote:
What if he hits 800 yards, 5 tds, and 4.5 ypc and 18 catches for 180 yards and a td. Do we try to bring him back then or not?
Just curious, how much do you think a RB with those numbers is worth? Are those numbers in your hypothetical worth more or less than $3.5M (I don't know what the 2015 option would cost...guessing around $3M to $3.75M)? I imagine the team won't exercise the club option by May 3rd, but I'm using the option numbers just as a starting point.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 8:17 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:29 am to adono
I highly doubt we use that option.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:10 am to htran90
quote:
What if he put up richardson numbers from year 1?
3.9ypc but 1k yards
So he'd get 1000 yards, but need nearly 260 carries to get there. I think him getting that many carries would mean a paradigm shift for the team, but I don't really care for the 1,000 yard bench mark. If he can get to 700 yards on a 4.5+ ypc in the regular season, he'd meet my expectations. That's about 40-45 yards a game on 8-10 carries.
What I want to see from Ingram is consistency. A few bad games here and there are okay as long as there are a lot more good games.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:01 am to adono
From indications we won't use the option on Ingram.
And based on what guys got this year, Ingram's past production, and if he hit those numbers I posted, I'd put it at $2m per, $2.5m per max.
Would he be worth keeping at that price if that is his expected continued production for the next 3 years after this one?
And based on what guys got this year, Ingram's past production, and if he hit those numbers I posted, I'd put it at $2m per, $2.5m per max.
Would he be worth keeping at that price if that is his expected continued production for the next 3 years after this one?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:07 am to Geauxgurt
That is my point, people skew their opinion on overall yards, not the more important (imo) ypc.
I rather a guy carrying it 150 times at 4.5ypc than a guy that carries it 300 times for 3.9ypc.
I rather a guy carrying it 150 times at 4.5ypc than a guy that carries it 300 times for 3.9ypc.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:08 am to htran90
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I rather a guy carrying it 150 times at 4.5ypc than a guy that carries it 300 times for 3.9ypc.
there are way too many variables at question to be able to make blanket statements like that.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:11 pm to htran90
quote:
That is my point, people skew their opinion on overall yards, not the more important (imo) ypc.
I rather a guy carrying it 150 times at 4.5ypc than a guy that carries it 300 times for 3.9ypc.
I agree to a point, but it honestly depends on how a player is used. For example, some guys are used a ton at the the goal line, which naturally drops their YPC average even if the run is successful. When evaluating a running back there is just so much that goes into it that you can't simply look at 3.9 ypc and toss him aside. If he did that, but got say 20% of his carries on short yardage or goal line situations, you'd understand a lower clip.
Not a knock on Ingram, but once the Saints stopped using him as a goal line/short yardage back at times in the past, his average went up partly because he wasn't getting into horrid situations. That said, his overall running game also greatly improved push it up to near 5 ypc.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:26 pm to Patrick O Rly
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So you'd like him to run for more yards but be less efficient in the process? That would be below his career average (4.1) and well below his average last year (4.9).
So is Joe Morgan's 2012 a wet dream season for you? OMGZ he had 37 yds a catch greatest season eva!!!!! You can be less efficient and more productive to the team. Deuce averaged 4.7 yds a carry in 2003 which is less than Ingram's 4.9 yds this season. Deuce also ran for 1300 more yds. Did Ingram have a better season?
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:44 pm to saintsfan22
It's definitely a balance and you have to consider the line he is running behind(like last year him and PT "sucked" early because they were getting hit in the backfield often), the situations and play calling we put him in, and the type of defenses he's seeing.
But if it's close like 800 yds at 3.7 ypc or 700 yds at 4.2 ypc, which is better? One took 216 carries and the other 167. I'd take the second in that scenario because that's about 50 more touches elsewhere that could be more productive(for instance, if Robinson gets them and is avg. 5.0 ypc giving you 950 yds total between them).
But if it's close like 800 yds at 3.7 ypc or 700 yds at 4.2 ypc, which is better? One took 216 carries and the other 167. I'd take the second in that scenario because that's about 50 more touches elsewhere that could be more productive(for instance, if Robinson gets them and is avg. 5.0 ypc giving you 950 yds total between them).
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:45 pm to saintsfan22
Do you even not straw man bro?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:49 pm to Patrick O Rly
The classic TD non-answer
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:52 pm to saintsfan22
You could make a point worth responding to.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:54 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:
You could make a point worth responding to.
evidently he has been.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:56 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
But if it's close like 800 yds at 3.7 ypc or 700 yds at 4.2 ypc, which is better?
The 2nd.
Ingram's mythical 2014 projection:
1050 yds 3.9 ypc
vs.
Ingram's average career season:
487 yds 4.1 ypc
Are people really arguing in favor of the latter?
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