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Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:49 pm to OPR
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Not even close to the same thing and you know it.
not really. The pressure is put on the hometeam to win... since you are scared of pressure... we would rather be the away team and have "nothing to lose" come playoff time.
Bottom line is, if you are scared of pressure... you shouldn't be in the business of winning.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:52 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Someone will have to look up the stat of the percentage of teams to win the Superbowl with 1 loss and the percentage of teams to win the SB with 2 losses.
I happen to be your man.
This is Super Bowl era excluding the strike year.
Stats (Times won super bowl)
Teams with 1 loss - 5/8 (62.5%)
Teams with 2 losses - 11/31 (35.5%)
Teams with one or two losses - 16/39 (41.0%)
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:53 pm to abspackinheat
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abspackinheat
Good work
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:53 pm to abspackinheat
The whole pressure thing is stupid...No matter if they lose the next three games, these are still the highest expectations this franchise has ever had, the pressure is there and will last until they either get knocked out of the playoffs or win the Super Bowl
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:54 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Having just wrapped up a statistics class at LSU, I feel this is a pretty easy one to explain. A) If you want to say it is easier to win a Superbowl by having 1 or 2 losses, you can't look at the overall season. Of course more teams have won the SB by losing 1+ games. But, to compare the chances, you have to compare
1. The percentage chance of winning the SB GIVEN you are already undefeated
vs.
2. The percentage chance of winning the SB GIVEN you have 1 loss
A) I didn't say easier, I said more probable.
And to your observations, I'm suggesting that if you took the records of all superbowl teams (both winners and losers) and grouped them as loss teams and no loss teams, all but ONE of them would have a loss or more. Period.
That being said, statistically, I'd rather have a loss at this point in the season. I AM NOT SAYING I WANT THE SAINTS TO LOSE!!!!! I'm simply drawing some statistical conclusions from the past. And wondering (out loud on a message board) how that affects our chances to win the SB, period.
The only thing that matters is reality. And in reality, winning helps, losing hurts. Therefore, I want us to win. Jeez, some of you are in capable of having a theoretical, intelligent discussion without blowing everything out of context and proportion.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:54 pm to Chad504boy
I don't think any of yall realize the importance of a loss right now. Say " I think the saints should lose " out loud and you will realize how smart that sounds.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:55 pm to OPR
so i will pose the question, is their more pressure to win every game or more pressure to win the superbowl. With a playoff spot locked up and most likely homefield advantage locked up throughout, do you really think their is pressure to win the last few games of the season, or is the pressure to win the superbowl? IMO going undefeated is just a bonus for a team that has never been in this position. You can bet every one in the organization wants to do it, but they won't be upset if they loose one game and win the Superbowl.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:55 pm to Blitzed
look at the schedule right now...do you think any team can beat the Saints if they play to their capabilities???
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:55 pm to abspackinheat
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I happen to be your man.
This is Super Bowl era excluding the strike year.
Stats (Times won super bowl)
Teams with 1 loss - 5/8 (62.5%)
Teams with 2 losses - 11/31 (35.5%)
Teams with one or two losses - 16/39 (41.0%)
We're not talking about just 1 or 2 losses, we're talking about 1 or MORE. You must include any and all teams with any number of loses as compared to teams with 0 losses.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:56 pm to OPR
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And to your observations, I'm suggesting that if you took the records of all superbowl teams (both winners and losers) and grouped them as loss teams and no loss teams, all but ONE of them would have a loss or more. Period.
That's just simply the wrong way of looking at it in this argument. There are stats posted above that show 62% of 1 loss teams won the SB compared to only 50% of undefeated teams. Even though, once again, these sample sizes are entirely too small, these stats are still more relevant than taking all of the SB champions and comparing the records.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:57 pm to Tmon225
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look at the schedule right now...do you think any team can beat the Saints if they play to their capabilities???
This is dumb.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:57 pm to OPR
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we're talking about 1 or MORE. You must include any and all teams with any number of loses as compared to teams with 0 losses.
I'm guessing thats a 50/50 stat. There must be 1 winner and 1 loser every year.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:58 pm to OPR
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We're not talking about just 1 or 2 losses, we're talking about 1 or MORE. You must include any and all teams with any number of loses as compared to teams with 0 losses.
Do you not realize that would significantly drop the percentages? That would bring a ton more teams into the numbers while still only 1 team is winning the SB every year.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:58 pm to OPR
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We're not talking about just 1 or 2 losses, we're talking about 1 or MORE. You must include any and all teams with any number of loses as compared to teams with 0 losses.
You sir fail!!
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:59 pm to jojothetireguy
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You can bet every one in the organization wants to do it, but they won't be upset if they loose one game and win the Superbowl.
This is exactly my point. I want to win the SB. I don't care if we get into the playoffs with 8 losses, or go with zero losses. I want to win the SB. This is a theoretical discussion about whether the pressure of being undefeated ADDS to the difficulty in winning a SB or is inconsequential. I maintain that it ADDS pressure. I rather NOT have that pressure, but it's moot now, since a loss at this point hurts more than it helps.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:59 pm to el tigre
ChadFag, are you retarded? I was quoting OPR who said HE wanted us to lose to Altanta. Go back to the thread where that was posted you f'n idiot. I never said that. Yet again, you prove how truly stupid you are.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 1:59 pm to Chad504boy
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I'm guessing thats a 50/50 stat. There must be 1 winner and 1 loser every year.
Much much lower. The stats aren't comparing the 2 SB teams, but the teams that finished the season with those records. So, basically, OPR wants to take into account every team that made the playoffs, which would produce a very very low percentage.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 2:00 pm to saintsmissile
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I was quoting OPR
you need to take a quoting seminar.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 2:00 pm to Chad504boy
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I'm guessing thats a 50/50 stat. There must be 1 winner and 1 loser every year.
You serious Clark?
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