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re: Cut Spiller and Ingram and roll with Forte/Hightower
Posted on 2/13/16 at 1:40 pm to VetteGuy
Posted on 2/13/16 at 1:40 pm to VetteGuy
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Point being they have a ton of cap space despite having a HOF QB.
Your point is they have a bunch of cap space, but they also have a bunch of people to sign before next year. LEt's see how it evolves over the offseason.
Also, You decided to ignore NE's numbers?
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Posted on 2/13/16 at 2:42 pm to Breesus
Yes, and they'll sign them (most) easily. Denver hasn't mortgaged their entire future. They don't have to rework every contract just to sign their draft class.
I have no idea about NE. I know they aren't nearly as jammed up as the Saints.
No one is.
I have no idea about NE. I know they aren't nearly as jammed up as the Saints.
No one is.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 2:52 pm to VetteGuy
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I have no idea about NE. I know they aren't nearly as jammed up as the Saints.
No one is.
Saints:
Total Cap Number: $154,358,043 (Top 51: $153,458,043)
Offense: $69,362,123 Defense: $55,145,185 Special: $5,340,000
NE:
Total Cap Number: $156,282,920 (Top 51: $151,436,351)
Offense: $75,928,476 Defense: $64,669,587 Special: $6,387,500
Posted on 2/13/16 at 3:08 pm to VetteGuy
So the bills are worse off than us and the pats are right next to us. You're still wrong. Got it.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 3:13 pm to VetteGuy
I mean what year can you point to that under CSP/Loomis we didn't have money or make a big splash in free agency?
I really can't recall.
I really can't recall.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 3:15 pm to Breesus
You should sue your school for social promotions.
No one on that list is worse off than the Saints.
$22,271,845
No one on that list is worse off than the Saints.
$22,271,845
Posted on 2/13/16 at 3:19 pm to goatmilker
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I really can't recall.
Which is why we are so screwed now...
Spending ahead is great, but not at the level they've done it.
The only possible way they can get under the cap enough to sign the draft picks is to rework Drew's contract.
Pray he stays healthy...
Posted on 2/13/16 at 4:22 pm to VetteGuy
So you we're only talking about deadmoney. Not cap. Space?
But you said we couldn't sign people and no one was worse than us.
But dead money doesn't preclude you from signing people.
Why can't you just admit you were wrong
But you said we couldn't sign people and no one was worse than us.
But dead money doesn't preclude you from signing people.
Why can't you just admit you were wrong
Posted on 2/13/16 at 4:30 pm to VetteGuy
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quote:
I really can't recall.
Which is why we are so screwed now...
Posted on 2/13/16 at 6:16 pm to VetteGuy
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Spending ahead is great, but not at the level they've done it.
The only possible way they can get under the cap enough to sign the draft picks is to rework Drew's contract.
they could ignore Brees' contract and still improve, not a lot, but still could.
The issue isn't spending ahead, it is spending ahead and not getting the production you intended to get out of it. A lot of teams spend ahead, they just hit on more free agents than we do, which is unfortunate with the amount of "bigger" names we've gotten over the years since we thought we were a few pieces away.
Since 2012, our biggest cap hell year, we have messed up on a lot more free agents than not...
Guys like Byrd, Spiller, Lofton, Hawthorne, Chamberlain, Bunkley, Browner, Bailey, Goodwin, Grubbs, Lorig, Butler, etc were all lauded at the time, but never produced what we envisioned they produced. Yet we spent a shite ton of money on them.
While a short list like Lewis, Haralson, Kevin Williams, Watson, etc have produced or overproduced their contract.
Money is easily manipulated, but if you intend to manipulate them you better make sure the guys you sign with the room and pushing them back produce or you'll end up like us.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 9:18 am to whatiknowsofar
frick Mark Ingram. He hasn't stayed healthy for a full years time since he's been here and what does he have like 3, 100 yard+ games?
After the Eagles playoff game 2 years ago we should have traded him for a 2nd round pick.
After the Eagles playoff game 2 years ago we should have traded him for a 2nd round pick.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:19 am to Breesus
You really don't understand how it all works do you?
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:26 am to htran90
Good post, and yes if all the FA's hit and Drew has a handful of rings, everyone's happy.
(like the 49ers in the old days)
Still dead money is a killer.
(like the 49ers in the old days)
Still dead money is a killer.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:39 am to VetteGuy
It's only killer for the past year and upcoming year because of one giant mistake. That mistake alone is not the difference between us and a ring. Just like how Brees' cap hits in recent years wasn't the difference.
More mistakes during the draft and free agents have been our downfall, and that's not even including aging vets that should have been let go long ago.
Does it suck. Yeah. But we're in decent shape this year and next because we don't have a substantial amount of free agents we need to resign
More mistakes during the draft and free agents have been our downfall, and that's not even including aging vets that should have been let go long ago.
Does it suck. Yeah. But we're in decent shape this year and next because we don't have a substantial amount of free agents we need to resign
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 11:41 am
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:53 am to htran90
I think what's gonna keep us down and severely limit our FA activity for the next few years is the ant. of dead money we'll eventually have to deal with.
That's why everyone looking at extending Drew as a panacea are ignoring the reality of a 39 y.o. QB.
22M of dead money is an incredible among to overcome.
Yes, the cap will go up, but it goes up for everyone.
That's why everyone looking at extending Drew as a panacea are ignoring the reality of a 39 y.o. QB.
22M of dead money is an incredible among to overcome.
Yes, the cap will go up, but it goes up for everyone.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:07 pm to VetteGuy
It's a one year problem. Galette deal killed us. Other than him, we've managed cap pretty well. Signing long term guys eats our space in future years which aren't bad years for us
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:16 pm to Chad504boy
Yes, but that's still dollars you can't use. If we (and we will) extend Drew that will push the problem into the future, thus making it more than a one year problem.
Byrd, Galette, Browner have been bad deals. You could argue Spiller, too.
We have absolutely got to hit on guys like Hightower and Breaux to at least be somewhat competitive.
Byrd, Galette, Browner have been bad deals. You could argue Spiller, too.
We have absolutely got to hit on guys like Hightower and Breaux to at least be somewhat competitive.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:27 pm to VetteGuy
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You really don't understand how it all works do you?
It's hard to when you change the argument every single time someone proves you wrong about something.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:28 pm to VetteGuy
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Byrd, Galette, Browner have been bad deals. You could argue Spiller, too.
We have absolutely got to hit on guys like Hightower and Breaux to at least be somewhat competitive.
Can you show me a team that hits it out the park on every FA acquisition every year?
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