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Archie Manning
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:56 pm
My father was a huge Archie fan and always claimed that with more talent around him the Saints could have done so much more. I always thought that he would have been the weak link on a more talented team and results would have been the same as they had during the teams most successful years during this tenure. I think the most talent during this tenure was during the 78-79 seasons, especially on offense. Defense was never good. During those years, 78-79, Archie threw for 32 touchdowns and 36 interceptions. He also had 12 fumbles. He did throw for over 3,000 yards and over 60% completion percentage. But I always thought he gave away too many possessions to the other team with turnovers. Great team spokesman. Saint forever. But serviceable at best. Would never have "led" the Saints to sustained success, no matter the talent level. Ok, bash away 
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Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:14 pm to DIGGY
Most posters were not even born then. I was, and yes I concur!
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:30 pm to Big Sway
you and the op are high or idiots.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:39 pm to DIGGY
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Archie Manning
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:40 pm to jorconalx
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you and the op are high or idiots or TD employees.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:46 pm to DIGGY
He was the NFC Player of the Year so I'd say he was more than serviceable
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:55 pm to jorconalx
Great argument there Chief! Hard to argue those stats 
Posted on 5/16/13 at 12:04 am to DIGGY
I was a big Archie fan as a kid. Keep in mind, it was a completely different game. 90 - 95% of plays were run from a two wide receiver, one tight end, power I formation. The passing game was designed to stretch the field, Bill Walsh was in the early stages of introducing the West Coast, dink and dunk high percentage scheme. The cornerbacks played bump and run and a 50% completion percentage was actually considered pretty good. And as mobile as he was, the horrible offensive line gave up over 40 sacks per year. NFL player of the year, pro bowler in '78 and '79. Much, much better than serviceable, imo.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 12:52 am to DIGGY
Archie was tough, I will always love him!
Posted on 5/16/13 at 2:30 am to DIGGY
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DIGGY
What was it like living in Run's House?
Posted on 5/16/13 at 2:47 am to jorconalx
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He was the NFC Player of the Year so I'd say he was more than serviceable
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you and the op are high or idiots.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 12:12 pm to Chad504boy
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Archie u drunk go to bed
Posted on 5/16/13 at 5:42 pm to Sho Nuff
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He was the NFC Player of the Year so I'd say he was more than serviceable
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you and the op are high or idiots
Or both
Posted on 5/16/13 at 7:59 pm to GrantTheFan
Good post. But 32 touchdowns to 36 interceptions and 12 fumbles during 78-79?? With passing targets like Chandler, Harris, Childs, Galbreath, even Muncie and running threats like Galbreath and Muncie (even with his demons)? Line had an aging Dobler, Zander's, and John Hill as center. Just always thought that his game would have been elevated in the turnover department with weapons to take the "heat off" of him. Who finished second to his player of the year award??
Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:30 pm to DIGGY
Your father was correct.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:03 pm to hellsu
Respected, but like my fathers opinion based on pure conjecture. When the talent was there on offense, the turnovers were the same.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:27 pm to DIGGY
He did have some offensive weapons but for the most part year in year out he had no protection. The line play was awful.It was common knowledge that it affected his release and trajectory of his passes especially the later part of his saints career and in minnesota. Roger Staubach mentioned in an interview once that the sky would have been the limit if he would have had a decent line in front of him. Dallas was in the same division with them at the time.
Posted on 5/16/13 at 9:39 pm to hellsu
Like me and my father we will just have to agree to disagree. I attended the San Diego game that followed the Monday night Oakland second half meltdown. If I recall, the Chargers won 35-7. I think the Saints were 7-6 going into the Raiders game. Still had a lot to accomplish after that. Just too seldomly saw him as the focal point raise the team when needed.
Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:22 am to DIGGY
I compare Archie in N.O. to Steve Young in Tampa Bay.
Young did not have great numbers was was 'literally' running for his life in Tampa.
All of a sudden in Frisco he became a hall-of-fame QB.
I'm not saying Archie would have accomplished the same thing in Frisco...or Dallas...or L.A.....or Green Bay; but he sure would have had a chance to.
BTW, Archie very nearly led the Saints to the playoffs in '78 and '79 anyway,DESPITE the horrid defense, and with your average I formation offenses (albeit loaded with skill players).
I maintain that even Joe Montana would have been "serviceable" on those Saints teams.
Young did not have great numbers was was 'literally' running for his life in Tampa.
All of a sudden in Frisco he became a hall-of-fame QB.
I'm not saying Archie would have accomplished the same thing in Frisco...or Dallas...or L.A.....or Green Bay; but he sure would have had a chance to.
BTW, Archie very nearly led the Saints to the playoffs in '78 and '79 anyway,DESPITE the horrid defense, and with your average I formation offenses (albeit loaded with skill players).
I maintain that even Joe Montana would have been "serviceable" on those Saints teams.
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