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re: Willie gotta GO
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
“We need more experience”
50% of the coaches he lists have never been a head coach.
I don’t hate Kenny Atkinson but he’s also wayyyyy below .500 for his career and has like one year of coaching experience on Willie. Why is he any better?
And I addressed Budenholzer already. If your complaints are rotations and philosophy, you don’t go anywhere near him.
50% of the coaches he lists have never been a head coach.
I don’t hate Kenny Atkinson but he’s also wayyyyy below .500 for his career and has like one year of coaching experience on Willie. Why is he any better?
And I addressed Budenholzer already. If your complaints are rotations and philosophy, you don’t go anywhere near him.
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:54 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You can’t be good at your job if you have plenty to be desired.
Sure you can.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Trust me you do a job review(which I have)
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:57 pm to TotesMcGotes
This board is so easy to predict.
Win a game: "Does this team even need to make a trade to contend?"
Lose a game: "Fire Willy" "Trade BI" "Trade Jonas"
Lather, rinse, repeat
Win a game: "Does this team even need to make a trade to contend?"
Lose a game: "Fire Willy" "Trade BI" "Trade Jonas"
Lather, rinse, repeat
Posted on 1/16/24 at 12:58 pm to TotesMcGotes
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You can be good at something and have plenty of room to improve.
Great arguments.
But again you’re a New Yorker figures- see I can argue like you as well.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:00 pm to TotesMcGotes
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50% of the coaches he lists have never been a head coach. I don’t hate Kenny Atkinson but he’s also wayyyyy below .500 for his career and has like one year of coaching experience on Willie. Why is he any better? And I addressed Budenholzer already. If your complaints are rotations and philosophy, you don’t go anywhere near him.
Now tell us about your great experience analyzing coaches or just going off bullshite seen in the media. Your arguments are laughing at people, calling people dumb or regurgitating what the media says.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
Go ask someone who is elite at their job if they have room to improve and, if they’re being honest, they will say of course they do. They can improve in all sorts of areas. Does that make them bad at their job?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:02 pm to TotesMcGotes
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room to improve
You stated he has plenty to be desired that is not the same as room to improve. Stop changing what you stated.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:03 pm to TotesMcGotes
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who is elite at their job
Do you believe Willie is elite at his job?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
You’re arguing semantics. This is such a waste of time.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Do you believe Willie is elite at his job?
That wasn’t the point, and I’m truly baffled I have to explain it to you.
The point is not that Willie is elite at his job. The point is that people who are elite at their jobs will tell you that have a whole list of things they need to improve on (some might say a list of things to be desired!), but the existence of that list doesn’t make them bad at their job.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Do you believe Willie is elite at his job?
No, but neither is Borrego.
I think Willie is a middle of the pack coach who we should only move on from if we for sure have a better option available.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:09 pm to Broski
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I think Willie is a middle of the pack coach who we should only move on from if we for sure have a better option available.
And in the offseason we should think about that. All im saying. I completely agree with you.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:10 pm to TotesMcGotes
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but the existence of that list doesn’t make them bad at their job.
If that list is pretty big and there are significant things it does.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:12 pm to Pels_Yaz
I also don't think there are many elite coaches. It's a player-driven league.
Nurse, Bud, Vogel, Malone, etc. aren't elite coaches, but they had elite players that won them titles.
At the end of the day, it comes down to needing Zion to be elite if we want to do anything of note in the postseason.
Nurse, Bud, Vogel, Malone, etc. aren't elite coaches, but they had elite players that won them titles.
At the end of the day, it comes down to needing Zion to be elite if we want to do anything of note in the postseason.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:16 pm to Broski
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At the end of the day, it comes down to needing Zion to be elite if we want to do anything of note in the postseason.
Fairly or not, part of this may fall on Willie to get the best out of him. I think a lot is on Zion but a lot of times coaches are rightfully or wrongfully blamed not getting the most out of their best players.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:26 pm to Pels_Yaz
But that's kinda the alarming thing about Zion, because I think where Willie lacks in rotation and X's & O's acumen, his strength as a coach is in that motivator role where he does seem to get the best out of his players for the most part.
Like I'm not sure Herb is anything more than fringe rotation-level player without Willie and I'm not sure Jose is even in the league.
Like I'm not sure Herb is anything more than fringe rotation-level player without Willie and I'm not sure Jose is even in the league.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:34 pm to Broski
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But that's kinda the alarming thing about Zion, because I think where Willie lacks in rotation and X's & O's acumen, his strength as a coach is in that motivator role where he does seem to get the best out of his players for the most part. Like I'm not sure Herb is anything more than fringe rotation-level player without Willie and I'm not sure Jose is even in the league.
In regards to Zion every player is different in who they respond to. Remember Nance said guys like Zion or Naji dont mind being screamed at. Guys like Zion have responded to guys like Coach K or SVG. Meanwhile BI hated SVG coaching style. Willie isn’t a curser and a screamer. Just not who he is.
I disagree that Willie made Herb into who he is. Herb is a coach’s son who back in alabama was a great defensive player and a really hard worker. I think Herb under any coach would be great. Jose was ACC defensive player of the year- willie gave him a shot (credit to Willie) but who Jose is, he’s always been as a player.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 1:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Herb is a coach’s son who back in alabama was a great defensive player and a really hard worker. I think Herb under any coach would be great. Jose was ACC defensive player of the year- willie gave him a shot (credit to Willie) but who Jose is, he’s always been as a player.
There are a lot of guys like you mentioned above who have failed to cut out a role in the NBA. Especially someone of Jose's diminutive stature. Sure part of his success is due to his tenacity, but Willie deserves some credit for making him what he is today.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 2:16 pm to shel311
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Zion is healthy this season, and halfway through the season, we STILL don't know if Zion can be that #1 because we've spent the entire season with him as the 2nd option.
He has been healthy, if not in shape, but do you still really trust him? Willie and the team were burned by Zion going on the shelf for good last season, so I would understand if the coaches want to develop an offense less reliant on him this year
But really on this point, I mostly put this on Zion instead of Willie. I don’t think NBA offense are micromanaged by the coaches and true offense stars shine regardless. If Zion returned to last December form, I think we’d see an offense dominated by him. I don’t think it’s the coaches preventing that from happening.
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