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re: Trade BI for Trae Young
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:55 pm to ErikGordan
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:55 pm to ErikGordan
quote:Do you even watch the games? Once you decide to do so, watch the attention Zion gets.
No other Pels gets as much attention from opponents as Brandon.
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:22 pm to NOSHAU
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Do you even watch the games? Once you decide to do so, watch the attention Zion gets.
Zion gets a lot of attention, but the difference is Zion doesn't have to work to get the ball. Teams don't guard him when he gets fifteen feet away from the goal, so he doesn't have to expend energy to get the ball. Ingram is having to run off screens and fight through a lot of contact to simply get the ball. if you don't see that, then I think you're the one who doesn't watch the games.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:46 am to LSUgrad88
quote:This isn't difficult, Zion gets more attention from defenses than any other player on our team.
Zion gets a lot of attention, but the difference is Zion doesn't have to work to get the ball. Teams don't guard him when he gets fifteen feet away from the goal, so he doesn't have to expend energy to get the ball. Ingram is having to run off screens and fight through a lot of contact to simply get the ball. if you don't see that, then I think you're the one who doesn't watch the games.
If you can't agree on that, then...yikes
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 9:47 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:47 am to LSUgrad88
quote:BI's doubles are after he gets the ball. Zion has 3-5 people focusing on him and he takes a lot more contact that BI does. Zion has to expend much more energy than BI does. BI tends to avoid contact on his shots whereas Zion takes contact on almost every shot. It is crystal clear who demands more attention.
Zion gets a lot of attention, but the difference is Zion doesn't have to work to get the ball. Teams don't guard him when he gets fifteen feet away from the goal, so he doesn't have to expend energy to get the ball. Ingram is having to run off screens and fight through a lot of contact to simply get the ball. if you don't see that, then I think you're the one who doesn't watch the games.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:26 am to NOSHAU
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BI's doubles are after he gets the ball
And you think Zion gets doubled before he gets the ball? Teams are grateful when Zion catches the ball more than 12 feet from the basket and don’t defend him until he gets in the paint. He expends no injury getting the ball unless he posts which he does not do often, particularly when we play through him with Point Zion. One of the biggest reasons I don’t like when we try to play through BI at the end of games (and that’s even if Willie doesn’t inexplicably stick Zion in the corner) is because he has to fight through so much contact to get the ball, we’re usually late in the shot clock way too often.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:29 am to LSUgrad88
quote:Yes, teams love when Zion gets the ball in his hands
Teams are grateful when Zion catches the ball more than 12 feet from the basket
We need games back ASAP, people are going off the deep end.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:44 am to shel311
When have you seen a team try to stop Zion from catching the ball twenty feet from the basket? Did you notice how often teams guarded Zion when Willie stuck him in the corner? Do you think those teams were trying to stop Zion from catching the ball in the corner?? Simple questions. See if you can answer them.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:45 am to LSUgrad88
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Teams are grateful when Zion catches the ball more than 12 feet from the basket
Wat
Nobody wants Zion with the ball anywhere on the court. They don't want him bringing it up.
There are literally 3 defenders within Zion anytime he is on the court.
Thats the Wizards loving that Zion has the ball outside of 12 feet. 4 dudes with eyes on him lol
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:49 am to LSUgrad88
quote:You really need to watch more games or pay more attention if you think BI gets more attention than Zion. It is really not close. Until BI gets the ball, he is guarded like most good players in the NBA. Once he gets it he will get doubled sometimes to try and take the ball out of his hands. He absorbs nowhere near the contact or expends the energy Zion has to in order to defeat 3 or more defenders to get to his spot.
And you think Zion gets doubled before he gets the ball? Teams are grateful when Zion catches the ball more than 12 feet from the basket and don’t defend him until he gets in the paint. He expends no injury getting the ball unless he posts which he does not do often, particularly when we play through him with Point Zion. One of the biggest reasons I don’t like when we try to play through BI at the end of games (and that’s even if Willie doesn’t inexplicably stick Zion in the corner) is because he has to fight through so much contact to get the ball, we’re usually late in the shot clock way too often.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:51 am to whatiknowsofar
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There are literally 3 defenders within Zion anytime he is on the court.
Simple question then. When Willie stuck Zion in the corner late in games, why did they leave him alone? I don’t remember three defenders on Zion when they stuck him in the corner. Did I get that wrong?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:51 am to LSUgrad88
There's no world where any team is ever grateful when Zion has the ball in his hands. You know that, everyone knows that...why try to claim otherwise?
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:53 am to shel311
bullshite. You know how teams play Zion. They back off and build a wall and try to prevent him from driving. It’s why all of us know if Zion would develop an even average 15 foot jumper he would be the most dominant offensive weapon in the NBA.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:55 am to NOSHAU
quote:There was also a claim about how hard BI works off ball and running through screens, and you "don't watch games" if you don't agree, which is wild. BI doesn't work hard off ball,
You really need to watch more games or pay more attention if you think BI gets more attention than Zion
And that wasn't just a "BI works harder than Zion off ball" as it was a legit BI is just always working hard off ball post, which is crazy. Neither of them work hard at all. You can say BI works harder than Zion off ball, sure. But that sure as shite doesn't mean BI is a hard worker off ball lol. He isn't, or even close to it.
Not being an off ball threat and just kinda standing around too much is one of the weakness for BOTH players.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:56 am to LSUgrad88
quote:Please come back, basketball!
bullshite
Just come back already!
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:07 am to shel311
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Not being an off ball threat and just kinda standing around too much is one of the weakness for BOTH players.
That’s absolutely true. This whole team (with the exception of CJ somewhat) is absolutely awful with off ball movement, which is particularly evident in late game situations where we stand around and watch. I was talking about when they try to force feed the ball to Ingram late in games; he has to work so hard to get the ball it usually puts us in terrible situations because the clock has run down.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:31 am to LSUgrad88
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When Willie stuck Zion in the corner late in games, why did they leave him alone? I don’t remember three defenders on Zion when they stuck him in the corner
You're right, I should have said anytime he's on the court with the ball. Which still proves your initial point wrong.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:02 pm to whatiknowsofar
My initial point simply was that Ingram has to work harder to get the ball. And unless Zion is trying to post up, teams will allow him to catch the ball away from the basket and then build a wall to stop his drive. I’m honestly confused why anyone will argue that. It doesn’t mean Zion isn’t the most important part of this team and the key to how good we can be. It’s simply that because he has no outside shot, no one will ball deny him when he’s 15 or more feet from the basket.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:11 pm to LSUgrad88
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And unless Zion is trying to post up, teams will allow him to catch the ball away from the basket and then build a wall to stop his drive. I’m honestly confused why anyone will argue that.
Because that's not what you argued. You said teams love when zion catches the ball outside 12 feet. My point was that no team wants zion catching the ball anywhere on the court, they don't even want him bringing it up, which is why I showed this photo of 4 sets of eyes on him at the 3pt line.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:28 pm to whatiknowsofar
Actually I said teams are “grateful” when Zion catches the ball 12 feet or more from the basket. Because he can’t hurt them from that distance. And you know exactly what I meant by that. And that picture you posted. There is not one Wizard player more than a foot past the paint. They are packing it in and building a wall to try and stop Zion from driving. Like every team. I’ll say it again when does any team ball deny Zion when he’s out by the three point line??
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:45 pm to LSUgrad88
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