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re: Time for Change

Posted on 12/3/23 at 11:31 am to
Posted by MrJimBeam
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 11:31 am to
I think we are getting closer to that conclusion unless BI adapts more around Zion.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 11:45 am to
You're going to have to wait for May and June to get the answer. The playoffs will determine Ingram's long-term viability with Z.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:04 pm to
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You're going to have to wait for May and June to get the answer. The playoffs will determine Ingram's long-term viability with Z.
We may have to wait til that time to see if we make a move, but I feel pretty confident that I know now that BI isn't good enough to be a #2 on a legit title contender.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:15 pm to
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but I feel pretty confident that I know now that BI isn't good enough to be a #2 on a legit title contender.

The issue is that I actually think he is good enough to be the #2 on a title team, but he refuses to change his game to what it needs to be in order to be that guy.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:33 pm to
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The issue is that I actually think he is good enough to be the #2 on a title team, but he refuses to change his game to what it needs to be in order to be that guy.
I do agree with this.

I've said it a bunch of times. Everyone focuses on the lack of 3s,which don't get me wrong, is valid.

But for me, I look at the other side. He's deadly at the rim. Shooting 81% this season and 74% last season at the rim. Problem is, 12% of his shots this season are at the rim. For comparison, his final 2 seasons in LA, he took 36% of his shots at the rim.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:33 pm to
Even if you know that in your heart, it's still something that needs to be seen before we close the door on that chapter.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112637 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 12:36 pm to
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Even if you know that in your heart, it's still something that needs to be seen before we close the door on that chapter.
Disagree


Leaders are paid a shite ton of money to make these exact type of tough decisions.
Posted by AboveTheRim
Member since Sep 2020
602 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 1:11 pm to
When he and Zion are on the court , especially with JV too, BI getting to the rim is a tough ask . The defense is compacted . Bc Z is not a threat beyond 10 feet and teams are willing to give JV uncontested 3s . So unless Zs game expands BI has to get more 3s up to improve efficiency for the offense .

You’ll see him have more opportunities at the rim when he shares the floors with shooters .
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112637 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 1:25 pm to
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When he and Zion are on the court , especially with JV too, BI getting to the rim is a tough ask .
The biggest issue with BI not shooting 3s or attacking the rim is BI not wanting to shoot 3s and attack the rim.

Other guys play with Zion and Val, they don't have that same issue.


Even Jose Alvarado takes a larger % of his shots at the rim than BI.
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You’ll see him have more opportunities at the rim when he shares the floors with shooters .
Maybe a slight uptick, maybe. But we'll never see BIs shot profile ve what it needs to be unless BI himself completely overhauls his game. It has nothing to do with the players around him.


BI is 16th out of 18 players this season in % of shots at the rim. Some of those dudes played very few minutes but point still stands. He's only ahead of Hawkins and Matt Ryan. It's a huge problem, just as big a the problem of him not shooting 3s imo.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 1:28 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13491 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 3:33 pm to
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Well that is a horrible rule. That’s one of the easiest calls to review.


Probably because no official really knows what a travel is.
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