re: Random Offseason Trades: The Thread

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Actually I said it wrong b/c we wouldn’t be giving them their pick back. The better or ours and theirs goes to Atlanta, then we could trade the worse of the two back to Milwaukee in this deal.

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No, the worse of our pick or Milwaukee pick goes to Atlanta, we keep the better pick. For instance if our pick lands 20 and Milwaukee’s pick lands 10, the 20 pick goes to Atlanta and we keep the 10 pick.

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They gave up 3 1sts and a pick swap to get back their 25 and 26picks back.

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That’s what I have said twice now. Vassel is not worth 3 1sts and a swap PLUS CJ PLUS Hawk PLUS dropping down 7 picks in the draft. At most it should be CJ, Hawk and 7 for Vassel and 14.

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It’s a much different situation than the Nets trade b/c Milwaukee is giving up one of the best players in the league. They have to be satisfied with the return more than anyone else. Doesn’t matter how much they get back, it will never be enough to replace Giannis.

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It’s really not a different situation. We don’t have to give them their picks back. Just because they’re trading Giannis to another team doesn’t mean we have to take less to give them their picks back, we just tell them to frick off.

Hawk is not a "worse shooting CJ." Hawk brings NOTHING to the table.

Hawk is a 3 point shooter who can't shoot threes (he shot 33% from 3 last year). CJ is a walking bucket with moves for days. Hawk can't create off the dribble. CJ is a master off the dribble, in addition to being a career 40% 3 point shooter.

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No, the worse of our pick or Milwaukee pick goes to Atlanta, we keep the better pick. For instance if our pick lands 20 and Milwaukee’s pick lands 10, the 20 pick goes to Atlanta and we keep the 10 pick.

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You're right. I can't read. My bad.

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That’s what I have said twice now. Vassel is not worth 3 1sts and a swap PLUS CJ PLUS Hawk PLUS dropping down 7 picks in the draft. At most it should be CJ, Hawk and 7 for Vassel and 14.

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What do you think CJ is worth? I think you could get a non-lottery 1st for him at best. Swapping CJ for Portis isn't that terrible. I would say CJ is worth slightly more, but I think Portis brings something to this team that is desperately needed, toughness and a big who can shoot.
Hawkins isn't worth more than a few 2nds at best.


We aren't giving them 3 firsts. We are giving them their own 26 and 27 1st back, and then swapping #7 with #14.
Vassell for the Bucks 26/27 1sts is a good deal to me. moving back 7 spots i could honestly care less about. I'd rather keep #7, but if moving back those 7 spots is what it takes to make the deal happen, then so be it.
The CJ/Hawkins for Portis and 3 2nds is the other part of the deal to me.


Vassell is about to be 25, and has averaged 18ppg the last 3 years shooting almost 7 3's a game at 37.4%. He's bigger than CJ, and he's actually a good defender. Our rim protection starts with having better perimeter defenders, unlike CJ and Hawkins.

Murray/Vassell/Herb/Trey/Zion can defend the paint by playing good team defense on the perimeter. And if Zion has 4 guys he can kick out to that can knock down 3's at a high rate, and also can finish at the rim when run off the line, then that's the ideal players for him to play with.

Vassell has all-star/fringe all-star potential. That known is worth a hell of a lot more to me than future picks, picks which aren't guaranteed to be top 4 and definitely not guaranteed to even be an nba player if they are made. If we are keeping Zion and building around him, then I want sure things right now, not the #7 pick in the draft and hoping for some luck. We aren't rebuilding from scratch if Zion is on the team. We are building a contender, and you aren't doing that with draft picks, and its not like we aren't makign draft picks. Finding a starter at 7 or 14 has about the same amount of luck/chance.

What if we put a top 4 protection on the 27 pick, and if it falls into the top 4 then we give them our 27 1st and Indy's 27 1st?

I get what you are saying, but I do think the Spurs want Giannis, and I do think the Bucks absolutely want their picks back from us.



CJ for Jrue is not somethign the Celtics woudl want to do. Jrue's defense is a lot more important as their 4th guy than CJ's offense would be to them. And the Celtics need to shed salary, not swap salaries.

I think the Warriors would be happy to get CJ in a S&T for Kuminga.
Curry/Butler/CJ/Draymond with some scraps, if healthy, could compete for a championship.

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CJ for Jrue is not somethign the Celtics woudl want to do

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Boston is wanting to shed a bunch of their long term salary this offseason, they’re moving Jrue and probably Porzingas too, maybe Brown instead of them. CJ is an expiring that can be easily flipped over a guy that has 3 years left, but worst case you shed 2 years of salary. It will be hard to find teams to take on salary this offseason as nobody besides Brooklyn has cap space.

I do think they'll move Jrue, I just don't think they'd do it for CJ. Doing that makes them worse next year, and means they don't really get any return for Jrue b/c CJ is an expiring, so they would essentially lose Jrue (CJ) for nothing. They can get back assets better than CJ by trading away Jrue, i think.

They need to get under the 2nd apron. They need to trade Jrue and Porzingis ($62M) and get back 3 guys that make no more than $40M combined.

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I do think they'll move Jrue, I just don't think they'd do it for CJ. Doing that makes them worse next year, and means they don't really get any return for Jrue b/c CJ is an expiring, so they would essentially lose Jrue (CJ) for nothing. They can get back assets better than CJ by trading away Jrue, i think.

They need to get under the 2nd apron. They need to trade Jrue and Porzingis ($62M) and get back 3 guys that make no more than $40M combined.

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They likely will take what they can get to unload Jrue's contract.

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I do think they'll move Jrue, I just don't think they'd do it for CJ

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CJ as an expiring is someone they can flip at the deadline in another deal after they see how their season is going, and either get some of those assets back or even make a big move for someone that may become available. They can’t do that with Jrue, and there’s not many expiring salaries in the NBA like CJ has next season, so it would actually make sense. Worst case (or maybe best case depending on how you see it) for Boston is CJ expires next offseason and they either re-sign him to a lower deal or they just let him walk and shed that 30 million in salary.

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Doing that makes them worse next year, and means they don't really get any return for Jrue b/c CJ is an expiring, so they would essentially lose Jrue (CJ) for nothing. They can get back assets better than CJ by trading away Jrue, i think.

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I hate to say it, but at this point with him still having 3 years left on his deal, Jrue maybe a negative contract. He has lost a step and is not the same guy he was even last season.

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They need to get under the 2nd apron. They need to trade Jrue and Porzingis ($62M) and get back 3 guys that make no more than $40M combined.

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It’s going to be hard for them to shed salary this offseason unless they can rope Brooklyn into the deal, or unless they decide to trade Brown (this is pretty likely IMO if they want to bottom out). Something in a deal like this would shed the salary they need:

Boston: Barnes, Herb

Spurs: Giannis

Milwaukee: CJ, Vassell

Pels: Brown

Add picks in where needed, could even throw Hawk in also if we want to move a little more salary

Pels: Sexton, Kris Murray, Cody Williams, Utah#5

Jazz: Herb, Grant, Olynyk, Thybulle, #7, #11

Blazers: Lauri

Just stop..