- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Pels Game 56
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:15 am to shel311
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:15 am to shel311
quote:
- Pels are 5-2 when Zion attempts at least 20 shots
- Pels are 2-1 when CJ attempts at least 20 shots
- Pels are 6-8 when BI attempts at least 20 shots
Hmmm.
ETA: It's almost as if BI isn't a good primary option
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 9:22 am
2
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:12 am to Epic Cajun
Trey's last 4 games:
8 steals
8 blocks
8 steals
8 blocks
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:01 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
- Pels are 6-8 when BI attempts at least 20 shots
Hmmm.
ETA: It's almost as if BI isn't a good primary option
Be careful of taking stats at face value without viewing them with some context (something those of us who pay attention on this site call a Shelly Special). Lets examine the 8 losses the Pels have with Ingram taking 20+ shots.
At Denver -- No CJ or Trey playing
At Minnesota -- No Zion, CJ, Trey or Herb playing
At Hous -- No CJ, Trey or Herb playing
Minnesota -- No Zion, CJ or Trey playing
at Utah -- No Zion, CJ or Trey playing
at Utah -- No CJ or Trey playing
Memphis -- No injured players
at Boston - No injured players
You can of course draw the conclusion that the Pelicans aren't as good when BI takes 20+ shots. Of course, you could also draw the conclusion, if you apply a little context to it and don't have an agenda, that when you play teams (mostly good ones and mostly on the road) and are undermanned (sometimes significantly so) that you won't have as good a chance to win. .
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:32 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:We've reached the point where you're so salty for how absurd you acted and got made to look so foolish, that you're gonna let it spill out into other threads.
something those of us who pay attention on this site call a Shelly Special.
Do better, stop mucking up threads with your hate because I made you look stupid.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:39 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:
Be careful of taking stats at face value without viewing them with some context (something those of us who pay attention on this site call a Shelly Special). Lets examine the 8 losses the Pels have with Ingram taking 20+ shots.
At Denver -- No CJ or Trey playing
At Minnesota -- No Zion, CJ, Trey or Herb playing
At Hous -- No CJ, Trey or Herb playing
Minnesota -- No Zion, CJ or Trey playing
at Utah -- No Zion, CJ or Trey playing
at Utah -- No CJ or Trey playing
Memphis -- No injured players
at Boston - No injured players
You can of course draw the conclusion that the Pelicans aren't as good when BI takes 20+ shots. Of course, you could also draw the conclusion, if you apply a little context to it and don't have an agenda, that when you play teams (mostly good ones and mostly on the road) and are undermanned (sometimes significantly so) that you won't have as good a chance to win. .
Should these stats also point out that the only time that BI should take 20+ shots is when multiple other players are out of the lineup?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:40 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:When Zion takes over 20 shots and at least 1 of CJ or BI are out:
Lets examine the 8 losses the Pels have with Ingram taking 20+ shots.
At Denver -- No CJ or Trey playing
At Minnesota -- No Zion, CJ, Trey or Herb playing
At Hous -- No CJ, Trey or Herb playing
Minnesota -- No Zion, CJ or Trey playing
at Utah -- No Zion, CJ or Trey playing
at Utah -- No CJ or Trey playing
Memphis -- No injured players
at Boston - No injured players
You can of course draw the conclusion that the Pelicans aren't as good when BI takes 20+ shots. Of course, you could also draw the conclusion, if you apply a little context to it and don't have an agenda, that when you play teams (mostly good ones and mostly on the road) and are undermanned (sometimes significantly so) that you won't have as good a chance to win. .
- Pels are 3-1
- 2 of those wins are over LAC and OKC...both road wins
- 1 of those losses were to DEN
So that is an insanely tough 4 games overall with 3 road games against the 2, 3 & 4 seeds...and 3-1 overall
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:44 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Bingo, that IS what should happen.
Should these stats also point out that the only time that BI should take 20+ shots is when multiple other players are out of the lineup?
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:44 pm to shel311
Don't know if it needs it's own thread, but Zach Lowe put out an article today and part of it focuses on the Pels and Point-Zion.
Zion is currently in the 87th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler.
quote:
Williamson is running 17 pick-and-rolls per 100 possessions, a career high. The Pelicans have averaged 1.12 points directly out of those actions -- 25th among 192 ball handlers who have run at least 100 such plays, per Second Spectrum.
Zion is currently in the 87th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:45 pm to shel311
It’s a little weird that you would get mad at someone else for mucking up a thread then muck the thread yourself. I don’t know the history of you two, just an observation.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:10 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Should these stats also point out that the only time that BI should take 20+ shots is when multiple other players are out of the lineup?
I think that’s fair. I frankly don’t think anyone on our team probably should take 20 shots. Maybe Zion on occasion or BI or CJ if they are on a heater. Just wanted to point out that when you’re missing a lot of your key players, it’s seems obvious your remaining available key players would have to take more shots. Stats without context are often unreliable.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:17 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:
I frankly don’t think anyone on our team probably should take 20 shots.
Zion absolutely should be taking 20 per game. He would've had 30 plus in his sleep last night if it weren't for those whack arse refs.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:26 pm to whatiknowsofar
18 shots for sure. But 20 is very hard for a guy who scores mostly within 5 feet in. Players who averages 20 fgas are usually guards.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:26 pm to whatiknowsofar
Zion will easily average 25 and 5 assists once he starts getting treated fairly by refs. And that's just being treated fairly. If he ever got legit superstar treatment, I think he could average 30.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:27 pm to whatiknowsofar
It’s kind of semantics, but the reason I don’t think he necessarily be at + 20 shots is because of if he’s getting reffed fairly he’ll be shooting 12-15 foul shots a game. When you get fouled, unless it’s an and one, it doesn’t count as a shot attempt. So if he’s getting 12-15 FTAs say on 16-18 FGAs, that’s really 23-25 FGAs.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:43 pm to MeanWeen225
quote:
It’s a little weird that you would get mad at someone else for mucking up a thread then muck the thread yourself. I don’t know the history of you two, just an observation.
Sorry if anyone reasonable feels like I mucked up the thread. I think everyone knows why that stat was posted, and it was to make Ingram look bad. I thought looking at that stat without the context of who was not playing when Ingram took 20 + shots was misleading. So in that way I thought it was a legitimate discussion point.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:45 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Should these stats also point out that the only time that BI should take 20+ shots is when multiple other players are out of the lineup?
Pels are 6-2 when BI takes 20+ shots with a remotely healthy roster.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:48 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:
It’s kind of semantics, but the reason I don’t think he necessarily be at + 20 shots is because of if he’s getting reffed fairly he’ll be shooting 12-15 foul shots a game. When you get fouled, unless it’s an and one, it doesn’t count as a shot attempt. So if he’s getting 12-15 FTAs say on 16-18 FGAs, that’s really 23-25 FGAs.
He should be at least at 25 FGs+FTs. To put it in context Giannis is shooting 29 FGs+FTs, SGA is 29, Banchero is ~25, DeRozan ~24, AD is 24, just to list a few non-3 point shot dependent players.
Zion is currently at 22.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:00 pm to MeanWeen225
quote:
Zion will easily average 25 and 5 assists once he starts getting treated fairly by refs. And that's just being treated fairly. If he ever got legit superstar treatment, I think he could average 30.
I think as Pelican fans, and what we've been through, I think we all can agree health is the biggest single factor in success for this team. But how Zion gets reffed is incredibly important. If he gets just fair treatment this team becomes so incredibly difficult to stop. I've said for years how to handle this should be a huge topic of discussion for our front office and coaching staff.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:03 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
Pels are 6-2 when BI takes 20+ shots with a remotely healthy roster.
And they would actually be 7-1 if the refs had not stolen the Memphis game from us with the last second touch foul.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:18 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Zion is currently in the 87th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler
Adding to this comment from earlier regarding Point Zion, the Pels are 15-2 when Zion has at least 6 assists.
Page 14 of 15
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News