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re: New Orleans Pelicans vs Denver Nuggets: Lessons

Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:14 pm to
Posted by MetryMauler
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:14 pm to
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Full of excuses. Anytime you have both BI and Z and your role guys play exceptionally well, there's no reason you should lose.


Played the best team in the league on the road, without two of the Pels best players and four rotation guys. Some of you people just have no clue.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:14 pm to
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You don't need to sustain that to avoid being outscored 93-55 in 28 minutes. In less than 2.5 quarters, we gave up 93 points. Why are we trying to excuse that?

No one is trying to excuse it? I don’t think anyone is sitting here saying the Pels defense in the second half today was acceptable

Herb did sit out like 8 minutes he should have played so that certainly didn’t help things, but obviously our defense was poor
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:17 pm to
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Played the best team in the league on the road, without two of the Pels best players and four rotation guys. Some of you people just have no clue.
You should not lose a game with your 2 best players when your up 20.

You should not give up 93 points in less than 2.5 quarters.

Making excuses for that is wild.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:18 pm to
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What? They sustained it. The problem wasn't the role guys. It's crazy that you keep scapegoating them.

No, they didn’t. We finished 43% from 3 so if we were 69% in the first half that means our 3pt% was really bad in the second half

I’m not scapegoating them. They had great games. They shouldn’t need to shoot 69% for us to be winning games

But they were, and they were always going to come back down to earth, which is why I was thinking even at half time the lead was a bit fake
Posted by MetryMauler
Member since Sep 2016
7132 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:19 pm to
Denver went 34-7 at home last season and might be better this year. If you expect the short-handed Pels to win at Denver, you are expecting too much.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:20 pm to
They did sustain it. You're talking about team totals. Both Hawkins and Ryan shot well throughout the game.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:23 pm to
In a regular season game when they were missing their second best player, we were up by 20 and then up by 11 at half and we had our top 2 players? Its expecting too much to get even a close win or take it to OT? Like what are we doing here guys???
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:24 pm to
Hawkins had what 5 or 6 first half 3s and finished with 7, Ryan had 3 first half 3s and finished with 4

I mean dude what are you even talking about?

And the worst part is you’re gonna say I’m blaming them for the loss when that’s not what I’m doing
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13282 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:28 pm to
Wtf. Hawkins has 15 points in the second half. The fuxk are you saying?
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:31 pm to
Did he not have 5 threes in the first half am I tweaking? I could have sworn he did.

Either way he was far more efficient in the first half. Which is what really matters in this discussion because we’re talking about keeping up efficiency not keeping up scoring
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13282 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:33 pm to
Stop hiding behind the issue. The star players were the problem. It's not rocket science. The role guys did their jobs. The stars failed them.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:34 pm to
I think your whole argument is based upon sustaining three point shooting efficiency. But lets be honest, we shot more than well enough to win this game. BI and yes to a lesser degree Zion didn’t step up and win it. Again this loss is on both of them, more BI than Zion though.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:37 pm to
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I think your whole argument is based upon sustaining three point shooting efficiency. But let’s be honest, we shot more than well enough to win this game. BI and yes to a lesser degree Zion didn’t step up and win it. Again this loss is on both of them, more BI than Zion though.

My point was that using us being ahead as an argument for why losing the game was unacceptable was a bad premise because the lead was built on unsustainable shooting numbers

My point had nothing to do with the reason we lost, it was about how acceptable of a loss it was
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:37 pm to
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The stars failed them

Zion had a good game. That’s just the truth. Is he his last December self right now? No. But he had a good game
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:41 pm to
It wasn’t good enough to win and frankly if you’re a great star thats just not good enough. With CJ and other guys missing, he needed to do more. When your the best player on the team thats the burden you have.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19947 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:41 pm to
Slightly off topic, but literally no one can guard Zion 1 on 1. I will never understand why the pelicans don’t just send everybody to the 3pt line almost every play. There’s no reason Zion should ever have to deal with a clogged lane. But I digress
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:45 pm to
“My point was that using us being ahead as an argument for why losing the game was unacceptable was a bad premise because the lead was built on unsustainable shooting numbers”

- Yes they had hot shooting nights from their role guys, especially in the first half- BI and Zion just didn’t take advantage of that. So yes it was unacceptable loss because we wasted a great shooting night and ridiculously hot shooting half. The stars didn’t step up and control this game when they had the lead, instead according to Willie “they got bored.”
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:46 pm to
Yes, I agree with that completely. A lot of that though is hes playing with JV and BI unfortunately. We also need a center whos a threat shooting 3s.
Posted by MetryMauler
Member since Sep 2016
7132 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:47 pm to
Zion got one FT attempt the whole game, btw. Pretty ridiculous for a star player who drives to the goal. Can you imagine if LeBron or some other star took 20 shots in the lane and only shot one free throw? Sportscenter might lead with it.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 11:48 pm
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:50 pm to
Ok but do you think getting only one free throw is ALL on the refs? Or just maybe it was lack of offensive aggression for a full four quarters. Yes refs are dumb and they missed calls but the fact he got only one free throw- some of that is on Zion too.
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