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Not trying to offend you. But we have won more clutch games with Zion and no BI. Its why our clutch rating has improved. Its like you’re completely ignoring the last 4 games we played? We beat the the suns and warriors in clutch. Zion and CJ were a huge part of that without BI.

Yes we have, and i'm glad to see Zion play that way.

All i'm saying is he hasn't been good most of the year, and his style isn't conducive for the clutch.
upgrade BI.

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Posted by Pels_Yaz

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Posted on 4/15/24 at 4:49 pm to TeddyPadillac

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All i'm saying is he hasn't been good most of the year,

Again. You don’t find it unusual that Zion did this without BI? Do you think this is just random coincidence? Or the fact that Zion and the team clearly knows hes the number one option in clutch makes a difference.

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Posted by TeddyPadillac

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Posted on 4/15/24 at 5:43 pm to Pels_Yaz

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Again. You don’t find it unusual that Zion did this without BI? Do you think this is just random coincidence? Or the fact that Zion and the team clearly knows hes the number one option in clutch makes a difference

Zion was given plenty of chances this year to perform in the clutch. Early in the year he was literally leading the league in turnovers in the clutch. He wasn’t good. For 3/4ths of this year we’ve been waiting for him to take the reins from BI. It’s what has to happen on this team and he wasn’t able to do that. And that wasn’t BIs fault. It was a Zion not playing good enough problem.

I am ecstatic to see him finally playing smarter in the clutch. We really need a playoff series to help with his learning curve.

But even with him as the main guy, he has to have a good #2. Middleton was so clutch for Milwaukee. That’s all we need BI to be, and he without a doubt can be that guy and better. The problem is Zion has to be that Giannis level player, and he hasn’t been, but we are seeing some promise late this season. But the big game arse whippings sure as shite aren’t helping with that.

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Posted by Pels_Yaz

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Posted on 4/15/24 at 5:54 pm to TeddyPadillac

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Zion was given plenty of chances this year to perform in the clutch. Early in the year he was literally leading the league in turnovers in the clutch. He wasn’t good. For 3/4ths of this year we’ve been waiting for him to take the reins from BI. It’s what has to happen on this team and he wasn’t able to do that. And that wasn’t BIs fault. It was a Zion not playing good enough problem.

Yeah you didnt really answer the question. It’s different when the other player isn’t on the floor and its all on you as the main guy. You’re making this a Zion v BI thing. Thats not what I’m saying. I’m saying its not just coincidence that Zion performed better in the clutch when BI wasn’t there. I just don’t think they fit together and even in the clutch Zion performs better without BI on the court. In the end, I don’t think you need another guy who demands the ball if you trade BI, Mobley would be good and you run everything, even in clutch, through Zion.

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Posted by TeddyPadillac

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Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:07 pm to Pels_Yaz

I did answer it.
It should make no difference if he’s on the floor or not.
Zion is playing better right now b/c he’s in much better shape than he was for the first half of the year. Had nothing to do with BI being on the court or not.

You wanted a guy who works his arse off like BI to concede to lazy arse Zion? BI isn’t stupid. He knows Zion is better, but that right to be the guy has to be earned, and Zion is just now finally starting to earn it, 4 and a half years into his career.

As I said, he had plenty of chances with BI on the court and he performed terribly. He also didn’t get any favors from his coach on play calling. If BI had been on the court the last 3 weeks I don’t think you see anything different. When Zion wants to be the #1 guy he’ll rightfully take it, regardless of who is or isn’t on the court.

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Posted by Pels_Yaz

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Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:24 pm to TeddyPadillac

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I did answer it. It should make no difference if he’s on the floor or not.

Yeah but it did. Zion helped us win on the road in the clutch against teams like the Suns and Warriors without BI. I think thats a big factor you can’t just ignore that and say oh Zion is just in shape now.

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You wanted a guy who works his arse off like BI to concede to lazy arse Zion? BI isn’t stupid.

I dont know when you make comments like this, it just seems like you’re just a BI guy. Its hard to take anything you say seriously without there being a level of BI fan bias.

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As I said, he had plenty of chances with BI on the court and he performed terribly. He also didn’t get any favors from his coach on play calling. If BI had been on the court the last 3 weeks I don’t think you see anything different. When Zion wants to be the #1 guy he’ll rightfully take it, regardless of who is or isn’t on the court.

Yeah you keep saying we don’t see anything differently with BI on the court in thise games. But that’s statistically and factually not true. (Not calling you a liar- but its not true). With BI Zion and CJ we have a negative rating. With all 3 we struggled in the clutch. This isn’t just oh Zion wasn’t in shape issue. You’re right playcalling sucked but part of that is also hierarchy and the coaching staff constantly putting the ball in BIs hands in the clutch.

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