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re: Don't Fire Monty!!!
Posted on 3/8/14 at 7:54 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 3/8/14 at 7:54 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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There was a Davis feature on NBA. Asked what he credits his improvement to, he said Monty.
He's frickin lyin.
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:16 pm to corndeaux
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He is averaging the same AST and REB per 36 before he was starting. The only difference is his shooting has improved.
Yeah... but PER #s are also not real and they estimate what this guy would average if he played 36minutes. Its not what that player is really averaging. Plus, Tyreke has played 26mpg anyways. And he was averaging 4.6rebs and 4.6assists. Now, 7 and 7.
And his PER 36 was 16.7pts 6.4 and 6.4. Since starting these last 5 games hes averaging 22.4pts, 7 rebs, and 7 assists.
He became the starter, got more confidence, and is playing a lot better.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:27 pm to Gtothemoney
Why do we always have to go to extremes. Just because Monty has put his flaws on full display this season doesn't mean he can't do anything right. No team really develops players, players develop themselves, what teams can do is give players a role and a focus. Monty's done a good job of that for some players and a bad job for others.
People think AD would develop no matter what, and in some ways that's true, but in other ways it isn't. It seems like not using AD to his fullest would slow his development, which is one of the silver linings to this horrible season because he's been forced to be the man in a way he wouldn't have been if the team was fully healthy and trying to win as much as possible.
People think AD would develop no matter what, and in some ways that's true, but in other ways it isn't. It seems like not using AD to his fullest would slow his development, which is one of the silver linings to this horrible season because he's been forced to be the man in a way he wouldn't have been if the team was fully healthy and trying to win as much as possible.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:30 pm to TigerinATL
I was joking, sir.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:32 pm to Gtothemoney
Sorry brah. I just replied to you because it was the last when I started. There have been a lot of people going out of their way to try and prove Monty has never done anything positive in his entire life.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:39 pm to TigerinATL
I would never do that. 
Posted on 3/8/14 at 8:43 pm to KG5989
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And his PER 36 was 16.7pts 6.4 and 6.4. Since starting these last 5 games hes averaging 22.4pts, 7 rebs, and 7 assists.
He's averaging more than 36 minutes as a starter so his raw numbers will be better than his per 36. However, his Per 36 as a starter do look much improved in this small sample size. He's averaging 38.1 MPG as a starter so multiply all his stats by 94.5% to pro rate them to 36 minute levels and you get this.
Pro Rated Starter Per 36: 21.2/6.6/6.6
Season Per 36: 17.9/6.4/6.4
Career Per 36: 18/5.1/5.2
How sustainable this is, is another question. He appears to be on a pretty hot streak for him. As a starter this season vs career percentages
FG% 3P% FT% TS%
50% 40% 88.2% 61.6%
44.3% 26.7% 76.8% 51.4%
Posted on 3/8/14 at 9:32 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah true...
I cant really think of anyone that hes done a good job of improving and using in a certain role.
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Monty's done a good job of that for some players and a bad job for others.
I cant really think of anyone that hes done a good job of improving and using in a certain role.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 9:55 pm to KG5989
Good lord.
PER 36 is a measure of per minute production.
It isn't perfect, but if you're comparing Evans playing 25MPG to Evans playing 38MPG, obviously the latter will likely look much better. The question is how do we normalize to see if his increased numbers are actually a bump in production or just the product of more volume.
Outside of his shooting, his rates are basically the same up to the Phoenix game and since then.
AST%- 30% v 32%
REB%- 10% v 11%
TO Ratio- 10.5 v 10.6
USG- 28% v 25%
Yes, the raw numbers look better and there is a slight improvement. But it's well within what he has done all season and is not some huge spike in production in categories outside of shooting.
This isn't to say he is playing poorly now or that he was playing poorly before. His problem this year has been an historically abnormal year finishing at the rim. He's doing that now, so he people are happy again. YAY POINTS
PER 36 is a measure of per minute production.
It isn't perfect, but if you're comparing Evans playing 25MPG to Evans playing 38MPG, obviously the latter will likely look much better. The question is how do we normalize to see if his increased numbers are actually a bump in production or just the product of more volume.
Outside of his shooting, his rates are basically the same up to the Phoenix game and since then.
AST%- 30% v 32%
REB%- 10% v 11%
TO Ratio- 10.5 v 10.6
USG- 28% v 25%
Yes, the raw numbers look better and there is a slight improvement. But it's well within what he has done all season and is not some huge spike in production in categories outside of shooting.
This isn't to say he is playing poorly now or that he was playing poorly before. His problem this year has been an historically abnormal year finishing at the rim. He's doing that now, so he people are happy again. YAY POINTS
Posted on 3/8/14 at 10:22 pm to KG5989
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I cant really think of anyone that hes done a good job of improving and using in a certain role.
Jason Smith is the biggest example of development. He came here as a 5th big and now he's a solid 3rd big.
He got more out of Vasquez than anyone else has. Career peak per 36 minutes points, assists, FG%, 3P%. Jarret Jack also had peak per 36 points and assists running Monty's offense.
Aminu is still a very limited player, but it's hard to deny how much he's improved since he got here.
People keep acting like Belinelli blew up after he left, and he has done quite well in San Antonio this season, but his per 36 minute numbers were better in New Orleans than in Chicago, and he was pretty close to having one foot out of the league when he came here. Remember, he was traded for Julian Wright.
Brian Roberts took 4 years to get a shot at the NBA, now people are wondering why we didn't trade him for Jordan Hamilton.
Austin Rivers has gone from historically bad rookie to people wondering why he doesn't get more minutes.
I really don't know why this stuff even needs to be pointed out. Monty Williams may need to be replaced, but he's not the worst coach in history.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 4:07 pm to TigerinATL
So Monty has made bad players not as bad??
Rivers still sucks. So does Aminu. If they have improved its barely any.
Greivis did have a peak in per 36. But only by a point and 2 assists. He basically was the same player he always was and has been, but was 1 of the better players on a bad team. He was pretty much our 2nd option last year.
And Jason Smith has improved a little. But its not like those guys improved from decent to good or anything like that. They went from horrible to bad, with the exception of Greivis. And hes a back up PG at best.
So Monty has made our horrible players not as bad, but they are still bad.
Our highest paid players have gotten worse. Yea Gordon has been banged up, but hes gotten worse each year. And Monty has no idea how to use Evans. Finally started him and hes been really good. And Evans has said Monty never told him or explained what kind of role he wanted from him.
Rivers still sucks. So does Aminu. If they have improved its barely any.
Greivis did have a peak in per 36. But only by a point and 2 assists. He basically was the same player he always was and has been, but was 1 of the better players on a bad team. He was pretty much our 2nd option last year.
And Jason Smith has improved a little. But its not like those guys improved from decent to good or anything like that. They went from horrible to bad, with the exception of Greivis. And hes a back up PG at best.
So Monty has made our horrible players not as bad, but they are still bad.
Our highest paid players have gotten worse. Yea Gordon has been banged up, but hes gotten worse each year. And Monty has no idea how to use Evans. Finally started him and hes been really good. And Evans has said Monty never told him or explained what kind of role he wanted from him.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 9:36 pm to KG5989
3 Game win streak! Monty's the GOAT. MAGNA CARTA HOLY GRAIL. #FukDaH8Rs
Posted on 3/9/14 at 10:11 pm to KG5989
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So Monty has made bad players not as bad??
I didn't say he was a good coach, I've been on board with replacing him for several months now. I just think people need to stop taking it to extremes and acting like he causes cancer and AIDS too.
Posted on 3/9/14 at 10:12 pm to TigerinATL
quote:can you prove he doesn't?
acting like he causes cancer and AIDS too.
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