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re: David Stern just said
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:24 pm to LuckySunday
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:24 pm to LuckySunday
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Not only that but you had people nationally and locally discussing several possible names and expressing how they feel about them seems like a win to me
And from I've seen, the majority have been negative. Not good, Larry!
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 7:25 pm
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:28 pm to Gtothemoney
I think Pelicans would need to lose 2 of the next 3 for the Brass to win. Pelicans own the tie breaker I believe. The Krewe's schedule is too tough down the stretch....likely a non-factor.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:30 pm to Gtothemoney
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And from I've seen, the majority have been negative. Not good, Larry!
Out of state insight isn't as important but I've honestly been kinda surprised at some of the locals negative reactions on social media and new articles personally. It didn't help that the Yahoos report mentioned Brass and Krewe as did ESPNs Sports Nation Polls.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:34 pm to LuckySunday
Storm or Knights
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:43 pm to LuckySunday
Out of state, out of country, and local insight are all important when you are selling stuff to all those people.
The issue isn't that you don't get data back. One of the issues that you don't get the data back in a structured form to analyze. You don't know how many people with X income in Y age range have opinion Z or why.
Another issue is a form of publication bias. Those who feel strongly speak loudly and speak often. Most people, so the majority of money, are just not that passionate to get the news in the first few hours, buy it, process it, express it. This form of self-expression mutes the middle.
Yes another issue is that a few days is no time to judge this sort of thing. Not everyone knows, not every gets the straight information. Some are told, "I'm so happy, the Hornets are going to be the Pelicans!" and their middlin' feeling friends agree with them, and the same is true when the friends are told, "I'm so mad, the Hornets are going to be the Pelicans!" The information has to be presented in an appropriate way to get a measurement of the correct stimulus, and not, for example, the tone of the question, etc.
There are a ton of issues with this sort of study.
This is one reason political campaigns pay big bucks to people to conduct scientific polls and don't just look at website polls on CNN / Fox / whatever. It's enormously complicated business.
The issue isn't that you don't get data back. One of the issues that you don't get the data back in a structured form to analyze. You don't know how many people with X income in Y age range have opinion Z or why.
Another issue is a form of publication bias. Those who feel strongly speak loudly and speak often. Most people, so the majority of money, are just not that passionate to get the news in the first few hours, buy it, process it, express it. This form of self-expression mutes the middle.
Yes another issue is that a few days is no time to judge this sort of thing. Not everyone knows, not every gets the straight information. Some are told, "I'm so happy, the Hornets are going to be the Pelicans!" and their middlin' feeling friends agree with them, and the same is true when the friends are told, "I'm so mad, the Hornets are going to be the Pelicans!" The information has to be presented in an appropriate way to get a measurement of the correct stimulus, and not, for example, the tone of the question, etc.
There are a ton of issues with this sort of study.
This is one reason political campaigns pay big bucks to people to conduct scientific polls and don't just look at website polls on CNN / Fox / whatever. It's enormously complicated business.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:52 pm to wope
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David stern on changing hornets name--"The hornets might have a friend in the league office that can expedite the process"
The NOLA STERNS!
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:55 pm to 42
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Yes another issue is that a few days is no time to judge this sort of thing. Not everyone knows, not every gets the straight information. Some are told, "I'm so happy, the Hornets are going to be the Pelicans!" and their middlin' feeling friends agree with them, and the same is true when the friends are told, "I'm so mad, the Hornets are going to be the Pelicans!" The information has to be presented in an appropriate way to get a measurement of the correct stimulus, and not, for example, the tone of the question, etc.
Just a name without a logo makes a huge difference too. The logo I have as my avatar moved a lot of people, including me, from not wanting the Pelicans to seeing how it could work.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 7:58 pm to TigerinATL
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The logo I have as my avatar moved a lot of people, including me, from not wanting the Pelicans to seeing how it could work.
Count me as one of those people.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:01 pm to TigerinATL
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Just a name without a logo makes a huge difference too. The logo I have as my avatar moved a lot of people, including me, from not wanting the Pelicans to seeing how it could work.
Pile it on, TigerinATL. There are many more reasons.
Along those lines: colors. People who are inclined one way will imagine nice stuff. Those inclined the other way will imagine horrid stuff. Both will preach about the colors, but are any of them the actual presentation? No.
I used to not like yogurt, not like raisins, but I liked yogurt covered raisins. Sometimes you just can't add up dislikes and get a dislike.
And more.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:09 pm to 42
I agree with your point but I was in no way trying to say that any raw data they got would be the absolute test bed for the Pelican name.
They're analytics that are used by advertisers that could be utilized if the team choose to do so over the next few months to make the raw information useful in a sense.
I disagree with this tho no one said they only had to accept social feed back from the last few days they can track this puppy till whatever cut off date gather info from those who seem to be attending games and such and blogging about it.
They're analytics that are used by advertisers that could be utilized if the team choose to do so over the next few months to make the raw information useful in a sense.
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Yes another issue is that a few days is no time to judge this sort of thing
I disagree with this tho no one said they only had to accept social feed back from the last few days they can track this puppy till whatever cut off date gather info from those who seem to be attending games and such and blogging about it.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:18 pm to LuckySunday
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I agree with your point but I was in no way trying to say that any raw data they got would be the absolute test bed for the Pelican name. They're analytics that are used by advertisers that could be utilized if the team choose to do so over the next few months to make the raw information useful in a sense. quote: Yes another issue is that a few days is no time to judge this sort of thing I disagree with this tho no one said they only had to accept social feed back from the last few days they can track this puppy till whatever cut off date gather info from those who seem to be attending games and such and blogging about it.
What you are describing with the analytics is called a magic want. You can analyze structured data far more cheaply and efficiently and effectively than `found' data, even if it is marginally more expensive to collect; the net result is it's way cheaper to gather and analyze the structured data, which is why the entire industry exists with it's focus groups, etc.
If you care to discuss a particular method for gathering the responses, matching them to demographics, and more, let's do that. If not, I ask that you trust me enough to consider this worth looking up with some of your spare time.
As far as the timeframe, I agree. However, I'm not the one positing that the negative reaction has caused a shift their approach at this time, or even cause the consideration of possible time to weight if a shift might be worth researching.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:32 pm to 42
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What you are describing with the analytics is called a magic want
I agree it certainly is but at the end of the day they have that option available regardless if a leak was intentional or not.
They would be crazy not to a least take notice to the national medias reaction however
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:35 pm to 42
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42
You're a smart dude.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:38 pm to Gtothemoney
The krewe actually doesn't sound like crap...
Wish the jazz could get tangled from Utah
Wish the jazz could get tangled from Utah
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:52 pm to thejudge
That's my choice too but I have a feeling regardless they'll be the Pelicans
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:57 pm to Sinister1
Knights would be so awesome. I just don't understand why people don't love this! KNIGHTS and SAINTS!!
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:40 pm to Gtothemoney
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:54 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
I my first choice if possible would be Voodoo. Krewe is starting to grow on me...I think this will do well overall.
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