re: Before We Judge . . .

Pretty simple. Same song but different dance.
Bottom line is that we still have the same problems from the last year. Monty is just not a good coach; EG is a waste of air space; Holiday is not all that; we still have no SF and Evans is out of position.
Add that combo up and you do not have a contender let alone a playoff team.

Holliday is a pretty good player.

I want to give them at least 10-15 games to mesh and see what we have. Hell, the Spurs and Cavs are both 1-1 and the Thunder is 1-3. I know they have injuries, but their expectations were way higher than ours.

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I want to give them at least 10-15 games to mesh and see what we have

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We also shouldn't overreact to losing to teams we should lose to. The Mavs are just better than we are and while I think we're more evenly matched with the Grizz, it was a division game on the road. We may even lose tonight since it's the 2nd night of a back to back. Tyreke looked tired when he blew that layup, although AD should be pretty fresh.

My biggest concern is the street ball identity on offense. If this team doesn't get defensive stops and create transition buckets, they haven't been very good.

That pic and role with AD will come around. Not too worried about the set offense. Coaching still my main concern. Hard Hedges on D. Sat AD to long. Didn't get the ball in AD's hands (when it was clear he was starting to get hot). Burying the second best 3 pt shooter on this team after one bad game.

Just not acceptable. I know some people want to protect Monty and that all the missed shots are not his fault. But call a spade a spade. He was a shitty coach last night and got out coached again.

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That sounds like a lot of teams in the SW division. At some point, you have to steal some, especially in your own division. Already 2.5 gms behind in the SW divsion.

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I would think we'd have a chance at stealing the next one from the Grizzlies. Don't get me wrong, the loss was disappointing, just not unexpected. We had just about everything possible go wrong, from AD's foul trouble to nobody making open jump shots. That hopefully won't happen again next time in Memphis. I also think we have a good shot against another team in the SW that shall remain nameless lest we attract the trolls.

When we did the preseason record after the 1st 20 games thread, I think a lot of people overestimated how good we were, or perhaps underestimated teams like Dallas. It seemed pretty likely that we'd start slow and end up around .500 after 20 games.

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Tyreke looked tired when he blew that layup, 

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He got himself off balance when he fricked up his dribble. Hopefully Gordon can build off of his game last night.