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When did metallica sound their best?
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:16 pm
On the albums, the sound they had on the garage days original album is the best they ever sounded. before james and kirk converted over to all mesa boogie gear and emg pickups. IMHO they lost alot of their sound when they made the switch to mesa/emg. drums sounded more like live and not so sound controlled. if the drums are over engineered and mic'd just right, they sound electronic and fake. (see black album from metallica and images and words from dream theater to hear portnoy with fake sounding drums.)
breadfan - 1988
once they hit black album, their sound became too compressed, and all the gain came from the pre-amps. one of the great things about their earlier stuff is that you could hear the power section screaming in their guitar parts. as far as james' voice and the production value, they definitely stepped it up for the black album. but he took a step back in intensity. he went more towards the talk-sing path.
garage days is the perfect mix of the intensity of puppet and the production of black.
but live... i have to say that their best live sound has happened in the last 5-10 years. seen them a few times this past decade and as james switches over to the tri axis and the diezel heads, their sound gets better. the change in bass players might have had as much to do with it as well, but their live sound is amazing now. james voice... not so much. still good, but cant touch his voice from the damaged justice tour.
motorbreath
trapped under ice
damage inc
dyers eve
through the never
ronnie
sweet amber
all nightmare long
i know this isnt everything. but these are the major points for the band.
breadfan - 1988
once they hit black album, their sound became too compressed, and all the gain came from the pre-amps. one of the great things about their earlier stuff is that you could hear the power section screaming in their guitar parts. as far as james' voice and the production value, they definitely stepped it up for the black album. but he took a step back in intensity. he went more towards the talk-sing path.
garage days is the perfect mix of the intensity of puppet and the production of black.
but live... i have to say that their best live sound has happened in the last 5-10 years. seen them a few times this past decade and as james switches over to the tri axis and the diezel heads, their sound gets better. the change in bass players might have had as much to do with it as well, but their live sound is amazing now. james voice... not so much. still good, but cant touch his voice from the damaged justice tour.
motorbreath
trapped under ice
damage inc
dyers eve
through the never
ronnie
sweet amber
all nightmare long
i know this isnt everything. but these are the major points for the band.
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 2:21 am
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Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:31 pm to Haplochrom
they sounded great until Newstead joined....
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:34 pm to rondo
sounded best on Kill Em All
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:36 pm to rondo
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they sounded great until Newstead joined....
production wise, load and reload sounded amazing. its not the band i wanted to hear, but they played old stuff live so all was good.
you could easily make the case that trujillo has produced more stinkers with metallica than newsted has, even though i like their live sound better now.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:37 pm to Brosef Stalin
quote:
sounded best on Kill Em All
gibson into marshall, metal up your arse.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:37 pm to Brosef Stalin
That was the worst of their good sound.
Master of Puppets "sounded" the best during the period they sounded good.
Kill 'Em All to ....And Justice For All was when they made good music
The order of "good" goes
Master
Justice
Lightning
Kill 'Em All
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:38 pm to rondo
quote:
Master
Justice
Lightning
Kill 'Em All
"good" music, not sound quality
kill em all
lightning
justice
puppets
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:41 pm to Haplochrom
quote:
you could easily make the case that trujillo has produced more stinkers with metallica than newsted has, even though i like their live sound better now.
I assume you're referring to st anger. Trujillo wasn't on that. Bob Rock played bass on that album. Trujillo was hired after it was finished.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 10:47 pm to Brosef Stalin
quote:
I assume you're referring to st anger. Trujillo wasn't on that. Bob Rock played bass on that album. Trujillo was hired after it was finished.
oh yeah, talking about death magnetic and the other magnetic disc they sold. i guess you could call it b sides, but it was still an official release. the lou reed disaster project still counts against him, even if i dont know his approval.
i do like death magnetic, but im in the minority. i also love justice, and im in the minority on that one too. i figure they cancel each other out.
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 4/13/12 at 11:01 pm to Haplochrom
I already forgot about Lulu. 
for reminding me of its existence.
for reminding me of its existence. 
Posted on 4/13/12 at 11:17 pm to Brosef Stalin
quote:
I already forgot about Lulu.
i think about this album and projects like this a good bit. it might have been a life long goal for them to play with lou. hell, he played with them on their induction into the HOF.
If they had released it as a lou reed album, and they played as the backing band with no credits, i could maybe get into it, but reed has dropped off so much in his vocal quality that it really makes metallica look silly.
case in point. metallica playig mercyful fate medley is near metal perfection.
LINK
but when you hear king diamond singing with them, it makes the band sound...silly.
ETA: the most recent gig they played at their 30th anniversary, King Diamond sounded fricking awesome. i take back what i said. ill leave my comments up, but just know im eating my words. he must have been working with a vocal coach, because i havent heard him sound this good in years. and that fricker is OLLDDDDD.
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 4/13/12 at 11:21 pm to Haplochrom
King Diamond's been recovering from back surgery for years so his voice might have been out of shape for a while there.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 11:33 pm to Brosef Stalin
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King Diamond's been recovering from back surgery for years so his voice might have been out of shape for a while there.
i like KD through all of his work. conspiracy was one of the first metal albums i ever bought. but in the early 2000's, i would find live videos of him and he didnt sound good. its one thing to just be a singer who picked a vocal range that couldnt age with him. i.e. robert plant, david lee roth, but when you are doing it in full costume it makes the fall even harder. im glad to see him making a strong comeback. didnt want to see him end up like paul stanley. full costume and having to embarass yourself every night by never hitting the notes.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 11:39 pm to Haplochrom
quote:great album, frick the haters
. i also love justice
Posted on 4/14/12 at 1:38 am to Haplochrom
IMO from Ride the Lightning to Master of Puppets. The run that they went on for their first 5 albums was legendary.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:00 am to Haplochrom
quote:
ty. i also love justice, and im in the minority on that one
Really? No love from the masses for justice? C'mon, it's one of their top 3 albums. Justice has some of the most complex progressions of any of their albums. I don't care that they turned newsted's bass down, that album was exactly who Metallica is, to me anyways.
Oh and to live is to die is soooo underrated as an instrumental. I think the speaking part killed it for some ppl but that intro acoustic riff is something all guitarists who are Metallica fans should be forced to learn. The slow solo in that song also kicks arse, and is one of the first Metallica solos I tried to play.
And justice for all!
This post was edited on 4/14/12 at 8:33 am
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:01 am to Haplochrom
When they were recording "The Four Horsemen."
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:03 am to Outlaw
quote:
Message Posted by Outlaw IMO from Ride the Lightning to Master of Puppets. The run that they went on for their first 5 albums was legendary.
Motherfricking this.
In that thread about "artists who you wouldve liked to hear more from" , I was about to go in there and say Metallica circa lightning-justice.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 8:22 am to Haplochrom
quote:
breadfan
To get back on topic, the sound in breadfan from garage inc was already too "black" album for me. I actually like the production in puppets best of all. I think maybe they didn't layer enough guitars over the riffs, a la black album where bob rock wanted the "live" sound.
Posted on 4/14/12 at 9:00 am to HideChaKidz
quote:
, the sound in breadfan from garage inc was already too "black" album for me.
it was a b-side to eye of the beholder, and it was recorded with the garage days ep in early '88 before justice. The sound on breadfan is very much distinct from any sound they had before or after. its why justice baffles me so much. you go in and record 2 or 3 songs for garage days and it sounds amazing, but just months later you put out justice and the sound quality is garbage.
listen to how much tube overdrive is going on. there is almost no headroom in the guitar mix. the saturation kirk has on his solo is pretty impressive too. the drums sound like they are single mic'd.
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