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re: the lives of old country singers vs. the new breed around today
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:13 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:13 pm to TheDoc
So pretty much everyone you've ever heard on the radio ever is not REAL county music then? They were all millionaires dude. (factoring in inflation of course)
Seriously what is real country music?
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:14 pm to Flair Chops
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It's soccer mom pop shite written for demographics to sell.
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17 year old boys who live in gated communities but drive 4x4's with super-swampers & glass packs
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:20 pm to treble hook
99% of country music these days is gimmicky and demographic driven.
Real country music is music that isn't primarily written to be marketed towards a certain demo
Real country music is music that isn't primarily written to be marketed towards a certain demo
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:33 pm to TheDoc
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Real country music is music that isn't primarily written to be marketed towards a certain demo
So none of the Outlaw stuff is real country. That's clearly written toward a certain demographic.
Why is it that you won't admit just because you don't like what's coming out of Nashville today you think it's not country? It is country music. That's what country music is today.
Music changes overe time. What's being made in Nashville in 10 years WILL NOT be the same as it is today. That's fine if you don't like it. To each his own. I'm peronaly not a fan of most of it, although I do like Church and a couple others. I really like the 90s era.
You still haven't answered my question. So what are some of the artists/bands you consider country? Both now and in the past?
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:37 pm to treble hook
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You still haven't answered my question. So what are some of the artists/bands you consider country? Both now and in the past?
Present:
Robert earl Keene
Turnpike troubadours
Jason boland
Reckless Kelly
Randy Rogers
Past:
Willie
Waylon
Merle
Townes
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:42 pm to treble hook
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That's clearly written toward a certain demographic.
I disagree. It's more about: life as a "working man," love, and having a good time. Not so much killing people and robbing banks. It was called the outlaw movement because they were rebelling against the machine.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:45 pm to CottonWasKing
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Present:
So you have to be from Texas?
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Past:
So only the Outlaw stuff is real country? What about all the music before then? Jimmie Rodgers? Hank?
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:50 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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It's more about: life as a "working man," love, and having a good time.
There's songs like that coming out of Nashville today. They don't sound exactly the same but it's the same message. Do you have to be poor and do cocaine to be real country fan? I'm not getting it other than music today is different just like it has changed over the years.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:51 pm to treble hook
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So you have to be from Texas?
You asked for some not a comprehensive list. Chris knight fits into present country
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So only the Outlaw stuff is real country? What about all the music before then? Jimmie Rodgers? Hank?
Once again you didn't ask for a comprehensive list so don't get all twisted when I give you a handful of names
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:54 pm to treble hook
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There's songs like that coming out of Nashville today. They don't sound exactly the same but it's the same message. Do you have to be poor and do cocaine to be real country fan? I'm not getting it other than music today is different just like it has changed over the years.
Change is not always a good thing. Country music no longer has an authentic feel to it. Music is not something you can talk about and only use tangibles, the most important part of music are the intangibles.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:57 pm to treble hook
No, the songs today are laundry list look how country I am music. There is absolutely no song writing talent. You can't compare Merle Haggard's songs to Justin Moore's in terms of content or subject.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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because the music being made now isn't country music. and more people being fans is pretty meaningless
Oh, well, I suppose someone should tell the Academy of Country Music and Country Music Association that they are handing out the wrong awards to the wrong people; let country music radio stations know they're playing the wrong music; and while they're at it, even tell the folks at the Grand Ole Opry that they're having the wrong artists perform night after night.
Just because you don't like the country music that's being made, now, doesn't mean it isn't country music; and the fact that more people are fans of country music, today, than ever before, is extremely meaningful. It shows that the powers that be in Nashville finally got a clue that to get a more mainstream, broader fan base, they had to let country music artists have more creative control and exert more individual style over the music they make or choose and record. Not everyone enjoys straight traditional or outlaw country, and not every country artist or songwriter falls into one of those two categories. They broadened the definition of country music to include contemporary country music. If this appeals to a wider variety of listeners ranging from soccer moms to teenage boys living in gated communities, so what? It doesn't make it any less country.
It sounds like a bunch of pissed off men bitching and griping that people with different outlooks are being let into their "He-Man Woman Haters' Club." Relax, you still have your country music, and, now, so do we.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:21 pm to CottonWasKing
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Change is not always a good thing. Country music no longer has an authentic feel to it. Music is not something you can talk about and only use tangibles, the most important part of music are the intangibles.
We can debate whether or not country music today has an authentic feel. I have no argument there. Alot of it is is very "cookie cutter." Not all, but a good bit. My point is that is still country music. It is what it is like it or not.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:23 pm to ArRazElle
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They broadened the definition of country music to include contemporary country music.
Modern day radio "country" music is nothing more than Nashville pop fluff.
Yes, it sells. It's developed to do so.
Doesn't make it good or authentic or meaningful.
Just makes it smart marketing.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:25 pm to ArRazElle
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let country music radio stations know they're playing the wrong music
Radio only plays music that it is told to play
You must be new to this whole entertainment industry thing.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:28 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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You can't compare Merle Haggard's songs to Justin Moore's in terms of content or subject.
True but the message in alot of the songs may be the same or very similar. It's still country music. It may not be "good" country.
You usually see the same names near the top of everyone's list that loves the Outlaws...Haggard, Jones, Waylon, Willie. That may be the kind of music you like. I much prefer Jackson, Chesnutt, Lawrence. And even Eric Church. The point is it's all COUNTRY.
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:31 pm to TheDoc
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Radio only plays music that it is told to play
You must be new to this whole entertainment industry thing.
We know this. Her point is it is still country music. Whether it's good or bad. Right or wrong. Whether you like it or not. It is country music of the year 2012. Fact.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:33 pm to treble hook
I don't consider rascall flats, Florida Georgia line, Jason aldean, etc country music, it's pop
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:37 pm to TheDoc
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Modern day radio "country" music is nothing more than Nashville pop fluff. Yes, it sells. It's developed to do so. Doesn't make it good or authentic or meaningful. Just makes it smart marketing.
Exactly and it's everything that country music used to stand against.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 3:41 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I don't consider rascall flats, Florida Georgia line, Jason aldean, etc country music, it's pop
I get your point. But it is what it is. That's country music of 2012. I can't stand any of those btw. I mostly like the 90s stuff.
But I am a fan of Church. Best there is today and it's not even close. I know there's a bunch of Church haters on here but if you listen to all three of his records there is some damn good music on there.
Doc gives me shite for liking Chesney but I actually can't stand the crap he puts on radio. What I do like are his two albums "Be As You Are" and "Lucky Old Sun." They have some good songs on there that he wrote. Nothing like his singles on radio.
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