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Pink Floyd: are the "Ultradiscs" the gold standard?

Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:09 pm
I have 'Atom Heart Mother', 'Meddle', and 'Dark Side Of The Moon' on Ultradisc, which I bought probably 20 years ago. I also have 'Wish You Were Here' on "Super Bit Mapping" format (surprisingly, I saw it going for upwards of $600 on Ebay...wtf, lol). Anyway, I've stuck with these copies over the years...are these versions still the preferable versions, or have any of the remasters surpassed them? Just wondering...if there are better copies available, then I suppose I should go ahead and order them
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:20 pm to
The original Mobile Fidelity UHQR records were always the reference standard, but the reissues are really good. I have a UHQR pressing of DSOTM.

I also have an original CBS "MasterSounds" Half-Speed master of The Wall and I prefer it to the reissue though. It sells for around $600 nowadays.

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:22 pm to
Also, unless you have very revealing audio gear and a really, really good cartridge, you probably won't realize the subtle differences in the pressings.
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:26 pm to
Yeah, I figured some of the more seasoned music fans could set me straight, lol....some of the younger & uninitiated folks might automatically lean to the remasters simply b/c they're louder. But I don't know for sure...I haven't listened to any of the Floyd remasters, other than a few Immersion bonus tracks
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:26 pm to
The CDs were done by MOFI and called Ultradisc...they use a gold foil.

You really need a CD player with a great transport (the part that spins and reads--laser assembly) to hear the differences.


If you want the most telling version, download a 24 bit/96k hi-rez version or an MQA version and send it to a good DAC.
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:30 pm to
I've downgraded my gear over the years, because it drove everyone else nuts, lol...but I do know that I can still crank those discs up full-tilt, and they still sound crystal-clear...
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:50 pm to
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they use a gold foil


Which makes no difference whatsoever.
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:56 am to
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Which makes no difference whatsoever.


Someone told me the gold discs are more useful in terms of disc preservation, but I never bothered to fact-check it, lol...

It's amazing tho, how everything in technology has been on the upswing, yet music mastering has increasingly gotten worse. I can crank up a CD like the DSOTM Ultradisc, and you can still hear the separation in the instruments...yet, if I buy something comparable released within the last few years, it sounds like a fricking mess at loud volume. Damn those portable devices for lowering the bar, lol...hell, I wish they'd release separate formats, one for portable media and one for home stereo, but yeah that'll never happen...
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:36 am to
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Someone told me the gold discs are more useful in terms of disc preservation, but I never bothered to fact-check it, lol...


Yeah, well, I've got 30+ y/o CDs that AccurateRip like new, and 20 y/o CDs I burned that are still perfect.

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It's amazing tho, how everything in technology has been on the upswing, yet music mastering has increasingly gotten worse. I can crank up a CD like the DSOTM Ultradisc, and you can still hear the separation in the instruments...yet, if I buy something comparable released within the last few years, it sounds like a fricking mess at loud volume.


Mastering of course is where the differences lie, sometimes big differences anyone can hear. It's got nothing to do with bullshite like "gold foil," which is pure audiophool nonsense.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 9:37 am
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:54 am to
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Yeah, well, I've got 30+ y/o CDs that AccurateRip like new, and 20 y/o CDs I burned that are still perfect.


I'm guessing anyone who posts on this forum could probably vouch on that statement. We're probably not the doofs who leave CDs exposed in a hot car, or have them scattered all over the floor, lol... I have several CDs I bought in the early 80's, and they still play without a hitch. But, of course, I know others who care for their CDs like shite, so of course they'll be useless after a short while...
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:21 am to
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The original Mobile Fidelity UHQR records were always the reference standard, but the reissues are really good. I have a UHQR pressing of DSOTM.



What do I look for to determine what version I have? I have my dad's copies of Meddle and Wish You Were Here he bought supposedly the week they were released in the US.
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:38 am to


The cases look something like that...they definitely stand out from the "standard" version...

Edit: My bad, I might've misinterpreted your post...
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:39 am
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:56 am to
Yeah, was asking what to check on the vinyl LP.


I actually have that disc though you posted somewhere. Haven't listened to it in years.
Posted by BrockLanders
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:17 pm to
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I also have an original CBS "MasterSounds" Half-Speed master of The Wall and I prefer it to the reissue though. It sells for around $600 nowadays.


You could have fooled me:

LINK


Kind of surprised you don't have the Japan Master Sound version? Or perhaps an original UK?
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:18 pm to
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We're probably not the doofs who leave CDs exposed in a hot car, or have them scattered all over the floor, lol


Yeah, you'd be hard pressed to find a scratch or even a fingerprint on any optical disc I own. OTOH, I'm always SMH at the condition of discs I get at the library.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:50 pm to
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Which makes no difference whatsoever.



I never said it did make a difference.

I mentioned that as a reference that they can be easily spotted among other CDs.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:55 pm to
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BrockLanders



...the album you linked is not "The Wall", but WYWH.


This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:04 pm to
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Kind of surprised you don't have the Japan Master Sound version? Or perhaps an original UK?


I only play PF once every couple years or so now...I grew up with it so I am kinda burned out on it now.

The pressings I have are plenty good enough for me.

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:12 pm to
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What do I look for to determine what version I have? I have my dad's copies of Meddle and Wish You Were Here he bought supposedly the week they were released in the US.



Back in the LPs heyday, when an album that was expected to sell hundreds of thousands was released, multiple record pressing plants were used for different locations throughout the world, and throughout the U.S.

Look at the etching just after the lead-out groove (next to the label in the center)---what is the etching in the plastic?
Posted by Hawkeye95
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:23 pm to
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I'm guessing anyone who posts on this forum could probably vouch on that statement. We're probably not the doofs who leave CDs exposed in a hot car, or have them scattered all over the floor, lol... I have several CDs I bought in the early 80's, and they still play without a hitch. But, of course, I know others who care for their CDs like shite, so of course they'll be useless after a short while...

There should be absolutely no degradation of sound quality on a CD assuming it can be read by the CD player.

For anything originally recorded in analog, go with vinyl. I would guess those pink floyd albums were recorded in analog. An analog recording is best replicated wtih an analog medium.

Now if it was from digital, then use a digital medium (FLAC is prolly best).

Also, avoid remasters especially in the 80s and 90s, where all they did was raise the volume. They are usually shite.

With all that said, I cannot tell the difference. I have a decent ear for stuff like that, and I just can't tell the difference between vinyl/CD or FLAC/MP3. I do have friends that swear they can tell the difference.
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