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re: Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - EP or LP?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:50 pm to liquid rabbit
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:50 pm to liquid rabbit
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I consider the other 3 tracks as fillers.
I do not. The 3 "singles" were important to promote the album, IMHO, and the title track is very important to the band's legacy. Wish You Were Here (the song) is, among other things, a deeply emotional expression of the band's feelings towards their former leader. The title track is one of my favorite songs, regardless of artist, and Have a Cigar is way up there on my list of favorite Floyd songs.
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The album rightly should have been called Shine On You Crazy Diamond.
Even more so than the title track, SOYCD was an homage to Syd - a true musical celebration, mourning and farewell. I completely agree the album should have been called "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 12:56 pm
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:58 pm to Ace Midnight
I don't mean they were minor tracks or anything, just that SOYCD is the heart of that disc. I love Have a Cigar, WYWH. Welcome to the Machine is just meh, though, for me.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:07 pm to liquid rabbit
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I think an EP by definition is a subset of a full LP.
What? I think you are by yourself on this. Though this may be the case for some EP's, that doesn't make an EP an EP.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:08 pm to liquid rabbit
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Welcome to the Machine is just meh, though, for me.
And I'll agree that this is one of those examples when Roger was trying a little too hard to say something, and not quite hard enough in making a good piece of music. It works (although I skip it coming off of SOYCD - quite often), but certainly not my favorite.
However, it is very important, because, as far as fans are concerned - this is the first appearance - unless I'm mistaken of the character we would end up knowing as Pink Floyd. He isn't named until Have a Cigar and isn't fully realized until The Wall, but listening to it now, it seems clear that the band, mainly Roger, used musical expression to describe what the music industry, "The Machine" - along with sex, drugs and rock and roll - all that rot - did to Syd, and tried to do to them. Basically feed Syd to a meat grinder and the character we know as "Pink Floyd" comes out the other end, although a lot of "Pink Floyd" is Roger, as well.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:18 pm to Ace Midnight
The music industry drove Syd crazy? I think he was predisposed to it and massive amounts of drugs didn't help.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 1:23 pm to liquid rabbit
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I think he was predisposed to it and massive amounts of drugs didn't help.
Certainly true, but do you think that was Roger's position at the time of writing?
And they, perhaps, conflated the two issues - their success skyrocketed as Syd spiralled downward into madness.
And, it is clear from The Wall that the music business people were willing to do whatever, whenever, however, to keep the gravy train going for as long as possible. Virtually all of that was based, to some degree, on their personal experiences.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 2:38 pm to Ace Midnight
Waters has always been very bitter, about the war that killed his father and the rigors of the music industry. Of course, that anger made his music all the greater.
I liked some of the Syd era songs, but Pink Floyd didn't really fly until he was out of the picture and Waters became the leader.
I liked some of the Syd era songs, but Pink Floyd didn't really fly until he was out of the picture and Waters became the leader.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:17 pm to liquid rabbit
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Waters has always been very bitter, about the war that killed his father and the rigors of the music industry. Of course, that anger made his music all the greater.
No doubt. Despite what a lot of people seem to think, the character Pink in the Wall was mostly based off of Water's own life and his feeling toward the life of a rock star, not Syd's. WYWH was the album that was a tribute to Syd. The Wall was Water's interpretation of how outside forces throughout his life turned him into the person he was and why he created the wall to isolate himself. The Wall actually had a lot less to do with Syd than what a lot of people seem to think.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:42 pm to liquid rabbit
My favorite era was with the early Gilmour influence while they tried to find their sound. Basically Atom Heart Mother until WYWH. The main reason to consider WYWH as an LP and not an EP is because it follows a concept from beginning to end. If I were to consider any of their albums as EPs it would be More and Obscured by Clouds (my favorite) only because they're all singles.
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