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Pete Townshend vs. Keith Richards
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:27 pm
Who's a better total guitarist of the two? I choose Pete because he possesses more lead prowess than Keith and his acoustic work is more diverse and intricate.
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:35 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Pete Townshend
Better composer, writer, lyricist, rhythm guitarist, and stage presence.
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Keith Richards
Better lead player. Hands down.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:39 pm to saint amant steve
I'm willing to counter that with the evidence of Live at Leeds and Quadrophenia as to the extent and greatness of Pete's lead playing compared to that of Keith's.
Also, listen to the playing on Isle of Wight 1970 if doubts linger.
Also, listen to the playing on Isle of Wight 1970 if doubts linger.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 3:58 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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I'm willing to counter that with the evidence of Live at Leeds and Quadrophenia as to the extent and greatness of Pete's lead playing compared to that of Keith's.
Also, listen to the playing on Isle of Wight 1970 if doubts linger.
Townshend has some chops, but I prefer the feel in Richards' solos.
"Sympathy for the Devil" solo
"Can't Your Hear Me Knocking" solo
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:01 pm to saint amant steve
The latter is actually Mick Taylor's Santana-like solo.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:10 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Pete and it ain't close.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:20 pm to saint amant steve
Keith is known more for his rhythm playing than his leads.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:29 pm to FightinTigersDammit
If we really look at it, Pete might be the most influential guitarist of all-time. Everything he started back in 1964-65 was copied by Hendrix, Beck, Page and every other rock player that came through after. All that from his art education and initial inability to play single notes.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 4:56 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I'm going with Richards but I won't argue with anyone who says Townshend.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 5:36 pm to ThePTExperience1969
PT
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:52 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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The latter is actually Mick Taylor's Santana-like solo.
shite. I was trying to confirm if that was the case.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:15 pm to contraryman
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Pete and it ain't close
This...
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:14 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Pete might be the most influential guitarist of all-time
Don't think.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:29 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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more lead prowess
The entire Midnight clan loves The Who. Townshend was/is a fantastic composer, one of the best non-lead singer "front men" and a dazzling guitar player, but he was a rhythm player doing both jobs. His playing was not, largely, traditional lead playing and there is nothing in the catalogue to compare with all the lead licks and solos produced by Richards.
Neither can be considered a particularly elite "technical" guitarist, but such a distinction is dubious at best. Technical ability, with little else, gets you Malmsteen. "Musicality," and expressiveness can be great without being particularly excellent from a technical standpoint.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:30 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Different styles, both good.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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he was a rhythm player doing both jobs
One could make the same argument about Keith Richards' role in the Stones pre/post-Mick Taylor. Idk about y'all but I can barely, if at all, hear Brian Jones' and Ronnie Wood's guitar playing on any of those Stones records, with a couple of exceptions.
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nothing in the catalogue to compare with all the lead licks and solos produced by Richards
I have to disagree with that assessment. If one actually takes the time to listen to a bulk of The Who's studio and live material from 1965-73, one will hear incredible melodicism in Pete's lead playing that far surpass Richards'. Tracks like Our Love Was, Summertime Blues, Heaven and Hell, Young Man Blues(which has Pete shredding like a maniac), Amazing Journey/Sparks(live 1969-70),We're Not Gonna Take It(live 1969-70), My Generation/Naked Eye(1969-70), Magic Bus(Live at Leeds/Isle of Wight), Water(Isle of Wight), Getting In Tune, Join Together, Quadrophenia overture and The Rock, 5:15, Sea and Sand, Love Reign O'er Me and Who Are You should sufficiently prove that Pete was a far more advanced lead player than Keith was and without doubt more expressive.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:02 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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should sufficiently prove that Pete was a far more advanced lead player than Keith was and without doubt more expressive.
Another problem you're going to run into is that musical taste is largely subjective. I like both guys. I like them for different reasons. I think it's difficult, particularly at the relatively pedestrian level of technical skill that either of them had on the instrument (and they are 2 of the 20 or 30 "greatest" rock guitarists - I concede that without even agreeing to what constitutes "great" - it's difficult to define, but those guys had it), to say Pete was "more advanced" than Keith. They were different - different enough to imagine they would have had a tough time being in the same band. But, each was right for his band. We can probably agree on that point.
The Who (along with The Beatles) led more into traditional rock acts of the 1970s and 1980s, while The Stones (along with the Yardbirds) led into the more blues oriented rock bands that followed. But, again, there was a lot of crossover of those broad categories.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:06 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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more lead prowess than Keith
Ummmh, not saying much.
I take Keef (and I like Townsend).
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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The Who (along with The Beatles) led more into traditional rock acts of the 1970s and 1980s, while The Stones (along with the Yardbirds) led into the more blues oriented rock bands that followed. But, again, there was a lot of crossover of those broad categories.
The Who were a BIG band, but I think Townshend´s biggest contribution is being quite seminal for punk. He also had the balls to do rock opera (and pull it off).
Keef is simply amazing.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:23 pm to Dandy Lion
Not to mention seminal for prog rock: he wrote A Quick One While He's Away, the Tommy and Quadrophenia albums, hell Baba O'Riley was a massive contribution of itself.
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