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re: Official: Guitar beginners question and answer thread.

Posted on 1/27/21 at 8:15 pm to
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 8:15 pm to
One thing that helped me, was to place my other fingers first and index finger last. Seemed like that helped develop strength and control on middle, ring and little fingers specifically, and that's what most people need to work on. After a while, you will start getting them all going together.
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:27 am to
Thanks!
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:23 pm to
Let me know how it works for you. One of these days, you'll be playing with some good pickers, and somebody just says " dang man, you got the best pinky finger I've ever seen" You play for little moments like that. The rest of it is like catching a ghost in a paper sack.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 4:51 am
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

Can anyone recommend some techniques
You tried different wrist placements?

Dropping my wrist helped to increase reach by moving finger up. As well as moving thumb down.
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 4:25 am to
(add to above:)

... the thumb down helped me learn how to cam down, using leverage on a chord (not just with barres), instead of me squeezing the neck harder.

For illustration try strumming that (hard for many) short barre 'A" using just your (married) ring finger flat across d-g-b string; however do it at the 4th-5th-7th fret's moving around...now again while using your thumb pad on the neck. Strum just these three strings...now move the thumb up and down to find best leverage point for you.

What I'm suggesting is to experiment using your thumb as a fulcrum point and the rest of your hand as a lever, with whatever fingers your choose being pressed down... not squeezed. And to move thump and fingers apart or closer to get the best lever action. And no I don't do this always but it's nice to have in your arsenal and it helped doing the lever action in normal chording without going to a solo thumb.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 8:21 am
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:06 am to
Auggie, after thinking about what you said and playing, I realized that I already do place my other fingers down first before my index, when barring.

quote:

You tried different wrist placements?

Dropping my wrist helped to increase reach by moving finger up. As well as moving thumb down.


Yep. This, plus pulling the guitar closer to my chest when barring has helped a ton. I used to not be able to do any bar chords, but after I got a setup done and changed my thumb placement, plus pulling the body in closer to my chest has helped a ton. I don't have too much trouble with most bar chords. I mainly have trouble with them when I have to stretch my middle finger further than 1 fret over from the barre, like when playing B with a barre on the 2nd fret. Maybe I just don't have very big hands?

For short barres, I need to practice more. I have trouble controlling what strings are being pressed down on. With you A example, I have trouble keeping my ring finger from pressing down on e when i'm barring d-g-b.

Thank you all for the help!

Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:42 am to


You might experiment with rolling the barre finger a little bit on it's side toward the nut.

It'll help lessen the need to keep it as straight and maybe give you a little more reach with less effort. The barre can be even curved in this manner.
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 1:16 pm to
That's for short barre's, right?
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:35 pm to
Yes, for the ring finger in the case we've been mentioning. And for other full barres you might try to roll/curve the index finger toward the headstock.

Just different things to try and surely not gospel truth. Because watching video you'll see all manner of good people doing lot's of different things.
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:23 pm to
Another thing you might try, is tuning a whole step lower, and use a capo on the 2nd fret. That would allow you to play on narrower frets. Once you get good, tune a half step higher and move the capo to the 1st fret, then repeat
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:02 pm to
Slowly but surely, as they say. Still learning how to crawl before I can walk. My fingers are nice and sore, though they're getting tougher by the day. I'm still trying to master a couple songs using D, A, and E before I move too much further on. I'm okay at playing them at 0.5x speed, but at full speed it can sometimes sound like my toddler smashing all the strings. Rhythm is still pretty tricky for me at regular speed. I can either get rhythm or I can get clean chords, but not both at the same time. Just need more practice. Every once in a while I get it right and it sounds good before completely falling apart.

I've memorized a couple scales and use those as finger exercises plus trying to hit the correct strings with my pick. Those are fun to play.

I went ahead with the positive grid spark amp. Neat little piece f equipment. Between the size and the features, it fit what I needed. They originally told me three weeks to get it, but it came in three days instead. I received the hardware before I received the tracking info.
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 6:02 pm to
Some teachers say to envision the next chord shape just before you switch to it. (envision what fingers are where)
Posted by heatom2
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 6:22 pm to
How do you guys go about memorizing chord progressions? Just run the song over and over til you got it? Read off a chart until it's memorized?
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 6:36 pm
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 6:58 pm to
Blues 145 progression is very common. Check out some youtube vids.
Posted by heatom2
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 7:29 pm to
I'm talking about memorizing more complicated chord progressions than 145.
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 7:38 pm to
Sorry.
Posted by heatom2
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

Sorry


Didn't mean to come off snarky. I've always struggled to memorize chord progressions, and just wanted to know what others practice routines were like.
Posted by wizard1183
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:02 am to
Practice switching chords over and over.
EX: CGD progression, C^^^ G^^^ D^^^ (all down strokes). Do this over and over until you can switch well between the chords. If should become almost 2nd nature though just beginning? Itll be tough. Once you can switch decent in time? Youre going to change your strum pattern to a Down, Up, Down, Up pattern. So 1st strum of C is down, then up down up, G down up down up, D down up down up. Or to practice strum patterns, just use one chord. and strum, the 4 downs, D,U,D,U pattern, the DDU pattern (3 strum). Once you can do that? Practice swapping from say a A chord to an Bm barre chord to a G to a D. Pretty good progression there. Then arpeggios. one string at a time until your fluent on those pickings then string skipping.
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:22 am to
eta: ok - I'll take a stab if no one else will
quote:

memorizing chord progressions?
For me: The more songs you play the easier it is to hear the changes. So definitely try playing a lot of different ones.

And it's centered on a familiarity within a chord family but also due to ear training. So (again for me) remembering the key and guessing helped, because it's usually one of the 3 major chords, or one of the 3 minor, or a 7th. And then try playing with with extensions, substitutions, or augmentation off these for a better flavor or dead on accuracy or feel. I'm guessing if you're willing to make mistakes you'll soon start hearing what's next by feel... maybe not all the way... but more so or much better. And just hitting on the right chord (for instance A and not A7th or A-4th or second) starts to definitely help.

And then there's always some modulation, alt/5th to 5th resolution, or changing key... but that's pretty unique for a given song (or what makes that song - what it is) and those are more easily remembered for their strangeness.

Still learning myself... don't unduly sweat it... and remember to make it your own (at least a little).

eta: It might also help to try something by ear, something without the music, just keep making guesses once you figure out the key. For me it helps to finger out a simple single note melody line and then flesh that out. And it doesn't have to be the whole melody line just a major phrase. Then finally check that out to see how you really did. Keeping in mind there's beginner-intermediate-advanced versions for most songs.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:55 am
Posted by heatom2
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

awestruck


Thanks for the response.

I definitely agree that learning a song by ear makes it easier to memorize. Figure out the key, then try to hear the changes. Thats the 5th, there's the 6th minor etc etc.

I struggle learning a chord progression from tabs. I'll run it and run it over and over but it just doesn't seem to stick easily. Especially a song thats mostly cowboy chords, songs with parts or riffs are so much easier.

Just seeing if anyone else had this problem, I notice my buddies seem to pick it up much easier than I do.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 2:32 pm
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