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Martin D12X1AE: Thoughts?

Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:58 pm
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:58 pm
I'm thinking about getting this guitar, left-handed version FWIW. Some reviews I've read aren't happy about the HPL sides and back, plus the fact that it's made in Mexico (wtf?). But I haven't read any complaints about the sound, durability, tuning issues, etc.—I've read nothing but praise in those categories. Plus it's the best $ deal my price range.

Anyone own or play one?
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Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25188 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 3:29 pm to
Eh, I generally think Martins are a little overrated. And in my opinion all the X-series instruments all sound boxy. You really need a 12-string? You could probably find a used solid wood Rhode Island 12-string Guild for that price.
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 3:53 pm to
There is a pretty noticeable difference between laminate backs/sides vs. solid backs/sides in Taylors but I haven't really studied it enough for Martins. I'm sure it would be pretty significant for a dreadnought guitar though.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27402 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 4:08 pm to
I suck. My Alvarez is a much better instrument than I am musician. It will be this way for years I feel. What is the price? I am curious.
Posted by D Tide
Member since Mar 2012
503 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 4:54 pm to
I wouldnt go with the Martin X series. Martin is just slapping it name on the headstock of those x series imports and making a killing. I dont know if you want the eletrontics or not but here are better options for cheaper.
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Those have soild tops at least
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 5:25 pm to
quote:

Eh, I generally think Martins are a little overrated


I wouldn't say that. I'd say they are a bit overpriced though. I went back and forth between a Martin and Taylor for months. My ex's dad has 50+ guitars and a few Martin's I tried out. I kept going back to the Taylor. Got what would cost 3k in a Martin for about $1200 in my Taylor.
Test it out a bit, it's all about what is comfortable for you.
Posted by D Tide
Member since Mar 2012
503 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 5:53 pm to
A lot of times with Martin you are paying for the name on the head stock But they have the standard series have that volume and martin sound. A lot of people prefer the playability of taylor and their brighter sound. You can tell its hurting martin because there performance series (or something like that) is to compete against taylor
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25188 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 6:20 pm to
I really should revise my statement. Low end Martins, or "Mexican Martins" are vastly overrated. I'm not a Martin guy by any means, but the standard D-28 is the dread by which all others are measured. The standard series is right up there with the real hog/rosewood Taylors as well as the other domestic high-end manufacturers.
This post was edited on 4/20/12 at 6:21 pm
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 7:09 pm to
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Low end Martins, or "Mexican Martins" are vastly overrated.

The reviews I've read on the Internet from D12/AE owners have been very positive. About the laminate, I've read a few reviews stating that it may actually combat "12-string tension and wear" better than wood—but then, with the laminate you don't get the refinement in sound that is said to come from wood over the years. Regarding their being produced in Mexico, I haven't read any complaints—one or two reviewers said the action seemed a bit high on the upper frets. but this is adjustable.

If I were right-handed I could probably go to GC or Sam Ash and play one—or at least some Martin 12-string. Not so easy being left-handed.

The two other $600-$800 12-strings I've checked out are a Seagull and a Takamine. The Takamine neck is wider than the Martin, and I've got small hands. Plus it's heavier, which I don't like. The Seagull is $100 or so more expensive than the Martin.

Decisions, decisions.
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:32 pm to
Whatever you do, please, by all means, do not buy from Guitar Center or a similar box store. Go mom and pop. And I'm not saying that for sentimental reasons. A lot of these guitars are shipped from up north where they obviously use heated storage during the winter months, and proper humidification is absolute key for an acoustic instrument. I'm not a luthier or expert by any means, but I do know that much.

I know you you don't seem to be heavily considering Taylor, but I bought my Taylor 314CE through a site called Guitar Rodeo. As a frame of reference, the guitar was about $1500 at Guitar Center but came with a $100 Christmas rebate. Best Buy was actually selling them for $1200 on clearance because Taylor quit using them as an authorized dealer because they treat their guitars like shite and don't keep them properly humidified.

I ended up getting the guitar for a little bit over $1500 including shipping, as well as an extremely nice acoustic case that costs well over $100. It also came with a humidifier and an extra pack of Elixir strings.

These guys don't sell much outside of Taylor, but I would suggest trying to find a similar authorized mom and pop store that takes care of their instruments. You also avoid the risk of having a douche teenager banging it around when he hangs it back up at Guitar Center.

Good luck with it, and I hope you land a solid instrument. Let us know what you end up getting.
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 4/21/12 at 6:27 am to
quote:

I know you you don't seem to be heavily considering Taylor

I actually play a Taylor 110 Dreadnaught and like it just fine. Unfortunately there aren't any Taylor 12-string a/e's in my price range ($600–$800).
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I would suggest trying to find a similar authorized mom and pop store that takes care of their instruments. You also avoid the risk of having a douche teenager banging it around when he hangs it back up at Guitar Center.

I'm left-handed. They don't have any LH acoustic guitars at GC (or any place else in town) for douche counter people to bang around! At a place like GC, I'll try to get my hands on a RH version of what I'm shopping for just to get a feel for the guitar–weight, feel of the neck, tone, etc. Not the ideal way to shop, but that's the way it is.

Posted by Haplochrom
Member since Aug 2006
4021 posts
Posted on 4/21/12 at 8:13 am to
quote:

The Takamine neck is wider than the Martin, and I've got small hands. Plus it's heavier, which I don't like. The Seagull is $100 or so more expensive than the Martin.


if i remember correctly, seagulls are known for their wide nuts. it might be something to play one or two of these and see if that makes a difference. when i played them, i immediately liked it. my giant fingers actually liked the spacing. if you dont like the 1 3/4" from the martin, definitely rule out a seagull, its wider. part of their signature.

Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27402 posts
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:33 am to
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LH acoustic guitars at GC (or any place else in town) for douche counter people to bang around! At a place like GC, I'll try to get my hands on a RH version of what I'm shopping for just to get a feel for the guitar–weight, feel of the neck, tone, etc. Not the ideal way to shop, but that's the way it is.




Just like buying a TV or car. I don't want the floor or loaner model. Just ask at Guitar Center how many they have in the back. I ALMOST bought a Seagull and they had 5 in the back.??
This post was edited on 4/21/12 at 9:43 am
Posted by Tigerwaffe
Orlando
Member since Sep 2007
4975 posts
Posted on 4/21/12 at 12:47 pm to
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Just ask at Guitar Center how many they have in the back

The last time I visited them, the GC and Sam Ash stores near me had between them a total of 3 left-handed acoustic guitars. Unless you're in a LH specialty shop (the nearest one I know of is in Sarasota, several hours away), you'll hardly find any LH acoustic guitars at your local shops. They'll stock a few LH electrics, but virtually no acoustic guitars.

Anyway I'm going to my local GC to look at a RH Martin D12X1AE—at least get a feel for the thing. A guy I jam with played one there last night and liked it—said it played and felt quite nice for a guitar in that price range.
Posted by drockw1
Member since Jun 2006
9237 posts
Posted on 4/21/12 at 2:08 pm to
I'm in agreement with most...Martin makes great stuff, but you gotta get to the D-28 range before their guitars achieve the sound they're known for. I've got a D-41, and wouldn't trade it for any guitar I've played.

Finding a lefty 12-string of any guitar will be tough, but I'd pursue a used Guild 12 string as suggested above.

I'm sure the D12X1AE will sound fine, but I think there are better options out there.
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