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re: Famous Guitar solo from Zepp's song "Heartbreaker" used which guitar?
Posted on 5/19/16 at 6:53 pm to MountainTiger
Posted on 5/19/16 at 6:53 pm to MountainTiger
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Spot on. His wikipedia page says that for the solo he used the '59 Tele.
The wiki entry does indeed have lots of good information. I did not see information confirming that Page used his Telecaster for the Heartbreaker solo, but, from the sound and from what I have seen elsewhere, he did. Ace is right, the sound IS a Tele bridge pup sound AND there is a "behind the nut bend" in the solo, probably on the G string. Such a bend would me much more difficult on a Les Paul guitar then on a Tele.
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Posted on 5/19/16 at 10:10 pm to Champagne
Champ- I don't think this is by any means conclusive, but check out these competent runs at the solos by youtube heroes with a:
Tele
and a
Les Paul Custom
Of course it's later model (or reissue of a later model) LP and, for that matter, a newer Tele. We also don't know what the signal chain is compared to Page's (likely Vox+Supro) - BUT, the difference in the single coil and humbuckers is striking and reinforces my belief that the solo on Stairway was on the Dragon Tele.
And, for a guy who it clearly isn't his first day with the guitar - Heartbreaker solo on a Tele that also supports the Tele theory on LZII(although I don't think as dispositive as on Stairway):
This guy can play this solo
Tele
and a
Les Paul Custom
Of course it's later model (or reissue of a later model) LP and, for that matter, a newer Tele. We also don't know what the signal chain is compared to Page's (likely Vox+Supro) - BUT, the difference in the single coil and humbuckers is striking and reinforces my belief that the solo on Stairway was on the Dragon Tele.
And, for a guy who it clearly isn't his first day with the guitar - Heartbreaker solo on a Tele that also supports the Tele theory on LZII(although I don't think as dispositive as on Stairway):
This guy can play this solo
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 10:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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If that solo is on a Les Paul, Page owned the brightest, single coiliest Les Paul in the history of the Gibson company.
This is what does it for me. It lacks the beefy, low-end grunt and the sustain of a LP. IF it is a Les Paul then it is the most unique sounding one I've ever heard.
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ETA: And if Bonham wasn't the greatest drummer of all time, I'd like to know who was.
Rock drummer? Him or Moon. Bonham is my choice but Moon is a close second. Moon is like the greatest "shitty drummer" ever. He played like that one garage band guy that was good...but not THAT good...but you let him in the band because he was the best of the rest. Absolute maniac behind the kit. He played chaotically and it was awesome. Bonham was amazing and knew how to play to a song. SO damn versatile in terms of style.
Roger Taylor and Stewart Copeland are solid choices too. Gotta include Charlie Watts.
This post was edited on 5/19/16 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 10:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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Of course it's later model (or reissue of a later model) LP and, for that matter, a newer Tele. We also don't know what the signal chain is compared to Page's (likely Vox+Supro) - BUT, the difference in the single coil and humbuckers is striking and reinforces my belief that the solo on Stairway was on the Dragon Tele.
IMO the only reason it's a debate it because of how rounded the solo is tonally. It has a "Les Paul sound" because of how warm and smooth it sounds, which isn't really a Tele's sound. This video is a pretty solid example of the sounds of the two guitars.
I'm not a tele fan at all. They can sound great in the right arrangement but overall I just don't like them. They lack bite and versatility. That being said, Stairway sounds like a "best case scenario" tele to me. It is thick and warm, something teles lack IMO.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:03 am to Champagne
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The wiki entry does indeed have lots of good information. I did not see information confirming that Page used his Telecaster for the Heartbreaker solo
That's true it says nothing about the Heartbreaker solo. I was replying to Ace's post talking about the solo in Stairway.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 9:28 am to MountainTiger
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That's true it says nothing about the Heartbreaker solo.
Yeah. There is a thread on this topic from The Gear Page that echoes a lot of our discussion here, including Champ's "above the nut" bends and guys replicating the tone with a Tele. I must say, if he did it with No. 1 - as he says - then Page could have done anything with a guitar back then. I hate to be so fawning - as I don't think highly of Page's technical ability (relatively speaking, still noting his status as an elite rock guitarist) - but his sense of musicality and ability to use the instrument to create (and ultimately play) music is unparalleled. All the "stealing" nonsense notwithstanding, how many bands had 6 or 7 consecutive albums that you go back to multiple tracks to listen to the guitars - over and over again for 50 years?
Maybe if Hendrix had produced more/lived longer - he seemed to have that knack, too, to find the right tone for the song, work through the technical details and make something that makes you stop and say: "Okay. That's pretty impressive. I wonder where that came from."
Also interesting that the Transonic (allegedly used on Heartbreaker, particularly the a cappella solo) amp was an early example of a solid state amp (somewhat ironically, a quite expensive one.)
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 9:30 am
Posted on 5/20/16 at 11:45 am to Ace Midnight
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Maybe if Hendrix had produced more/lived longer - he seemed to have that knack, too, to find the right tone for the song, work through the technical details and make something that makes you stop and say: "Okay. That's pretty impressive. I wonder where that came from."
Hendrix had no ceiling, IMHO. Had he lived, he would be the Les Paul and Segovia of his generation. 27 years old is very young for a musician, so, there's no limit to what he would have become at age 40 or 50.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 4:28 pm to Champagne
I have listened to a handful of live versions of Heartbreaker today - by Page with Zeppelin and I am assuming every single one of them was on No. 1 or No. 2.
I still think that a capella solo on Heartbreaker for LZII is on the Tele.
I still think that a capella solo on Heartbreaker for LZII is on the Tele.
Posted on 5/21/16 at 12:16 am to Ace Midnight
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I still think that a capella solo on Heartbreaker for LZII is on the Tele.
I agree. I'm going to take a guess and posit a theory: Mr. Page recorded several solos to put in that space for the song. He picked the one he liked the best and it got on the record, but, he got mixed up WRT that recording was of his Tele or LP.
The behind the nut string bend on the G string was and is a common Telecaster trick. However on a LP, that bend is really not practical, if it's even possible.
This post was edited on 5/21/16 at 1:34 pm
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