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Amp Sims-Playing live

Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:36 am
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12386 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 3:36 am
I sorta tried this in another thread but I couldn't really convey what I wanted to do. I'm trying to play through an amp sim in real time, does anybody do this? I've gone through a ton of YouTube vids and it's all the recording aspect after the fact, meaning playing a clean track then adding whatever. That's no fun. Anybody know how to arrange the software for a simple free amp sim to play "straight" through?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71164 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 10:29 am to
I’ve done this a few times. I don’t prefer it (on account of my cab sim being super cheap), but there are many capable cab sims on the market which you just plug straight into the mixer board.

I know a lot of folks who gig and tour with fractals or kempers, and entire bands without a single amplifier.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:33 am to
quote:

does anybody do this?


Probably the same people who order well done steaks in restaurants.

I'm tired of seeing assholes worrying about plugging in their laptops making sure it has battery.

Its not metal.
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
475 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:38 pm to
If we are talking amp sims on a PC and not a modeller/profiler like a Helix or Kemper, the 2 big drawbacks to that are reliability and latency. The last thing you want to do on stage is have everyone wait while you reboot your PC after a crash, or have the PC lag and not match your playing.

The below video may help, Ola Englund goes through an amp sim setup that could used for clinics or other applications where reliablity isn't as big of a deal as a live show would be:

Ola Englund Amp Sim Setup

His setup gets somewhat complicated with automation through the DAW but you can also have the same setup with just a standalone amp sim like Guitar Rig. In that case, you could change patches either with a connected midi controller or by the interface itself on the screen.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12386 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:36 am to
quote:

the 2 big drawbacks to that are reliability and latency


Which is what I'm worried about. Any recommendations on stand alone free amp sims that I can just load and play through? I'm not looking to gig I just want to play through it and turn some knobs
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
475 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 1:30 pm to
Here are some links I found:

Amplitube offers a free limited version with a handful of amps and effects:

Amplitube

Emissary is for heavier sounds, I believe it's totally free:

Emissary

Guitar Rig has a free demo version but I think it only lasts 30 minutes at a time:

Guitar Rig

There is also a free amp sim suite called LePou that has always been free and is still downloadable, but I don't think it's supported any more.

Here's an article with a bunch more suggestions:

Free Amp Sims
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12386 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:46 pm to
I've really been wanting to find models with Mesa Mark series and I think Amplitude just came out with the prized IIC+ model so I'll definitely look into that. Thanks for the info
Posted by Stan Switek
Member since Apr 2017
475 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:47 pm to
You may want to check out the sims in this video, he goes through the whole chain that he uses:

Mesa Mark Free Amp Sim

The amp sim is here.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12386 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 6:47 pm to
I came across those the other day and I haven't tried it yet but the Mark III video sounds great. It doesn't have the GEQ but I should be able to find a sim for that too.

Something else I'm curious about and haven't found an answer for is audio interfaces and preamps to plug the guitar into the laptop. I'm wondering if I can use my DigiTech RP, run it into the laptop through its own software normally, and put it on a clean channel to play the amp sim. I actually did this when I had a Mark III red stripe to be able to use effects without the Mark III itself being colored by the RP by just using the direct amp and cab on the pedal

Or maybe I just need to take all my shite to Guitar World and have dude show me in person lol

Eventually I'm going to get a more modern multi effects and amp modeling pedal in the $500ish range. I was in love with the Line 6 Pod Go's Mark IV model as well as the rest, but then I heard the IIC+ model on the Headrush. Maybe I should start a new thread about multi pedals but the advances they have made with amp models is amazing, even the ones in the $500 range

Long story short I'll thanks for the help and I'll tool around with this Mesa sim tomorrow. I also downloaded an interface called Cantabile that is supposed to be live playing driven that I still need to try
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12386 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 9:28 am to
So I finally fooled around with it all enough to figure that crap Audacity doesn't format a live amp sim. Next move is definitely Reaper. I've been dead set on getting the Line 6 Pod Go because of the amazing Mesa Mark IV tones I've heard, then I heard the Headrush MX5's Mark IIC+ model. These aren't little crunch tones, they are full on high gain with that Mark series midrange snarl. It's amazing what they've done with amp modeling on affordable pedals, both of these are around $500 and have ever amp, cab, pedal, EQ, mic placement, etc.
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