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A Killer Audiophile Rig for $3500-$4500...

Posted on 12/15/15 at 10:24 pm
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/15/15 at 10:24 pm
I am posting this to help those that may want to up the ante on their music listening while not having to spend the mega bucks usually associated with big hifi audio rigs.

As an avid audio guru, I have many different types of amps, pre amps, CD players and loudspeakers in the house that I sometimes rotate in and out of the bigger audio rigs. Some of these pieces of gear have attributes which make them superb at reproducing music regarding one aspect of sound, but are just OK with regard to other aspects. Experimenting with different gear is part of the fun of the hobby.

Last week I decided to set up a temporary rig with some of the extra gear I had for shits and grins...the result was far beyond what I expected--to the point that I have been glued in front of this little system for a week and have come to really like it.

This system manages to play to extreme loud levels without breakup or compression, and can fill a large room with ease.

The great part is that the total cost for the complete system was around $4500. While that may sound like a good bit of money, keep in mind that a "modest" hifi rig in today's audiophile world will easily top $30k--and that is modest.

So, let me tell you the set up...

Amp...........................Peachtree Audio 220 (220wpc @8ohms/400wpc @4ohms)
Pre amp/DAC............Peachtree Nova with 24bit/192k built in DAC and analog line in
CD/BD player............Oppo BD-103
Speakers...................Magneplanar 1.7 planar/flat panel
Sub............................Paradigm PS1000 (10" powered subwoofer)

The MSRP for all above was $5500, but I paid $4500, and all were purchased new--there are always deals to be had--just ask the audio retailer.

Also, you can probably get away with substituting Emotiva power amp and pre amp, a less expensive CD player and sub, and the Magneplanar .7 speakers (a little bit smaller than the 1.7)--making the total even less expensive (close to $1200 less)--thus making the total around $3500--putting a really great audio system within reach for many.

The Peachtree pre amp has an analog line in for adding another non digital source (phono amp or iPod direct) and 4 digital inputs, so it may be expanded well beyond what I have here. It also has a vacuum tube (glowing blue in the picture) which acts as a buffer--softens the sound a bit if you engage it.

The power amp is a class D amp and runs cool and has an assload of power. The speakers are 4ohm nominal, so the need a lot of power--this little beast puts over 400 watts to the speakers.

The CD player has all the latest streaming services built into it as well.


Here are a few pics for those interested in what this stuff looks like. I know it isn't the most ideal place to put an audio rig, but as I said earlier, it is just a temporary set up.



Here is the amp, pre amp, and CD/Blu Ray player...



And the sub...





I hope this helps some of the audio newbies looking to maybe start building a system for better sound.

Hit me with any questions...




This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 12/15/15 at 11:07 pm to
What Emotiva is that on the ground?

Really want to get some Maggie's for a bedroom system at some point.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/15/15 at 11:12 pm to
Emotiva XPA-200

It is a 2x100w beast. The amp is well built and HEAVY. It drives the Maggies with ease...and they are power hungry!

Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12545 posts
Posted on 12/15/15 at 11:32 pm to
I've been looking at Emotiva for years but for some reason don't trust them. Is it really a good product?
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/15/15 at 11:36 pm to
It is pretty good stuff. Their amps are built like tanks.

The software issues that plagued them in their early days with their pre amp/processors is long gone. They now have a bulk of working capital ($$$) and put a good deal into R&D.

They are a good company to deal with as well.

Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 12/15/15 at 11:58 pm to
I have an XPA-2 and XPA-5 running my gallo stereo/HT setup for ~5 years now with no problems. Very nice products for the money. Good cheap power. I also have a UMC-1 pre/pro that had some initial software bugs, but works well now. For a HT processor I would probably go in another direction, but highly recommend the amps.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12545 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:07 am to
I'm running Polk RTiA speakers for my front three in a HT set up. They are forward projecting speakers (I use the RTiA7's as my stereo rig) and I'm worried that they won't pair well with the Emotiva amps. The reviews I have read seem to put them in the edgy and forward projecting category. I'm concerned that combined with my Polks they just may be too much in my face. For some reason I have been drawn to NAD.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:33 am to
Try Odyssey amplifiers. They are a huge bang for the buck in hifi. While they are not as inexpensive as Emotiva and NAD, they can run with $10k amps at 1/10th to 1/5th the cost.

You may also want to explore a mid powered tube amp for the 2 front mains. It may help with the harshness. Look at Prima Luna amps.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12545 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:14 am to
A tube preamp and solid state amp is what I have been after for my dedicated 2 channel rig. I just don't have the space for a HT setup and a dedicated 2 channel setup in my current house. My wife would kill me! The best 2 channel rig I have heard in person consisted of an Audio Research tube preamp and Audio Research solid state amp.

I have considered NAD as a good compromise to run both my HT setup and use for 2 channel duty. Their amps seem sturdy and a bit laid back which is what I'm looking for musically.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 4:38 pm to
Along the same vein...I have a Rotel pre/pro and 5 x 120 power amp which are pushing 10 years of age. I never turn them off--they have been powered up and on for 10 years and operate as the day I got them.

They are well built and have that textbook "flat" sound that most British audio gear has.


I seem to prefer the McIntosh rig to the ARC REF 5/ REF 210 rig--better control of the low end with McIntosh...better mids with the ARC rig.

...but that's just my taste.

Posted by weskarl
Space City
Member since Mar 2007
5805 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:33 am to
quote:

I seem to prefer the McIntosh rig to the ARC REF 5/ REF 210 rig--better control of the low end with McIntosh...better mids with the ARC rig.



Time to bi-amp!
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 2:53 am to
quote:

weskarl



I am not really a big fan of b-amping. When I have done this over the years, the systems tend to lose a little bit of coherence.

Some speakers, such as my reference Focal Utopias will not even allow this to be done. The speakers have only one set of full range binding posts.

This is commonly done by manufacturers of higher end speakers as their belief is that the internal crossovers are so good and designed just for that speaker, that bi-amping or even bi-wiring, will only degrade the sound.

I get their point--they don't want someone who is inexperienced in choosing the correct amps to do this possibly doing it wrong (mis matched amps) and therefore giving their reference level speakers a bad name--especially when there is a group of audiophiles listening and nit picking every attribute of the speaker. It can actually hurt their sales.

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:12 am to
Also, I ordered a Behringer Audio analog crossover last night--should be here Friday afternoon. It was only $79, so hard to go wrong.

I am going to play around with it trying to get the newly added sub to blend seamlessly with the Magneplanar 1.7 ribbon/panel speakers I posted pics of earlier in this thread.

I have never been a big fan of subwoofers due to the complexity of getting them to blend seamlessly with the main loudspeakers...but the sub I added earlier this week to the Maggie speakers has done wonders.

I will use the Behrenger crossover to basically cut off all frequencies below 120Hz or 130 Hz to the Maggies. This will keep them from struggling to produce deep bass when I turn up the volume a good bit. Since this new crossover has delay features and sub outs, I just may use it to its full potential.

Delay is important, especially when using a sub with electrostats and ribbon/planar speakers. The sound coming off the panel is extremely "fast", while the sound coming out of the sub and its big woofer tends to be "slow". This creates "muddy" bass--you are hearing the sound from the main speakers a fraction of a second before hearing the sound of the sub. This "smearing" can be minimized by delaying the sound of the panels just a few milliseconds so the sub can "catch up"---hope that makes sense.

An ideal sub for planar speakers is one with 3 x 8" woofers as opposed to one big 12" or 15"--the 3 smaller subs start and stop their motion quicker than one big sub speaker.

This little system has got me captivated--it's that good. Working in the new crossover just may take this little rig to the next level.

...and for just $79...!!

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/19/15 at 12:07 am to
Here is a new pic showing the Behrenger active crossover (at the top of the stack).

What a difference this piece makes!...and for $79 to boot!




Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
10200 posts
Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:18 pm to
Marco

I have a few Q's on your audiophile system setup and the GD 30 Trips box set , do you mind emailing me offline , thx brother


blake (at) raginblaze (dot) com
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
59388 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:20 am to
Are these rigs really worth it?

Is the sound that much enhanced that it justifies the price tag?
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:26 am to
email sent...
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Are these rigs really worth it? Is the sound that much enhanced that it justifies the price tag?



in a word...yes.

Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:34 pm to
I've been working with the Mesa Triple rec

Bogner uberkab and an orange 4x12.

Sometimes a 5150 for brighter leads with my Dean Dixie rebel. It has that Seymour Duncan pickup which works some gold.

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11880 posts
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:11 pm to
SEClint...nice stack!!

The tube compliment in the Mesa Triple Rectifier is:

6 x 6L6
5 x 12AX7
3 x 5U4

Those are some classics with a nice warm sound and a fairly low noise floor. I believe you can substitute EL34 tubes for the 6L6...the EL34 is a common inexpensive tube found in hundreds of classic amplifiers designed from the '60's to present day.

Enjoy!


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