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Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:34 pm to RollTide1987
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The Thin Red Line
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Flags of Our Fathers/Letters From Iwo Jima
If you need to fall asleep.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:34 pm to BugAC
Where Eagles Dare is one of my old time favorites. That and the dirty dozen.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:50 pm to RollTide1987
Midway
The Battle of the Bulge
Battleground
Kelly's Heroes
The Battle of the Bulge
Battleground
Kelly's Heroes
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 1:58 pm to colorchangintiger
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Fury >>>>>>>>>>> American Sniper
Not a chance.
The acting is forced and awful in Fury. Even Pitt completely phones it in.
That last scene? You've gotta be kidding me.
The Tank Battles are legit, def gives you the shite your pants experience with morter shells flying everywhere but the rest was awful.
One of those movies that seemed to be made from a screenplay stencile. The kid that survived was terrible.
The effort was there for sure, but overall delivery turned out to be crappy. Shia's character seemed especially forced.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:14 pm to RollTide1987
I'm really holding to the word "essential"
Bridge on the River Kwai
Tora Tora Tora
Patton
Saving Private Ryan - not the best, but certainly the most essential due to the opening scene. nothing else like it in cinema.
what about 'red tails'
and strangely my favorite line of any WWII era movie is 'the last crusade' I know it takes place just before the war
that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!
Bridge on the River Kwai
Tora Tora Tora
Patton
Saving Private Ryan - not the best, but certainly the most essential due to the opening scene. nothing else like it in cinema.
quote:Incredibly overrated. The older I get, the more I wish Kubrick would've beaten Spielberg to the punch on this one.
Schindler's List
what about 'red tails'
and strangely my favorite line of any WWII era movie is 'the last crusade' I know it takes place just before the war
that goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!
Posted on 5/14/15 at 5:42 pm to DelU249
Shocker, the over caffeinated 16 year old thinks Schindlers List is too boring.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 5:54 pm to RollTide1987
Most of the ones I would've mentioned have already been listed (nice to see Hell Is For Heroes get a shout out) so guess I'll mention the best WWII movie you've never heard of:
An American airman is dropped into occupied France to assassinate a resistance agent suspected of being a Nazi spy. But he learns that dropping bombs on anonymous specks below is a lot easier than killing a man one-on-one...
Orders To Kill was directed by Anthony Asquith (the son of a former British prime minister), who specialized in filming hit plays by veddy British, veddy genteel playwrights like Terence Rattigan. OTK is definitely the odd man out in his filmography. There is a montage sequence here that is by far the most cinematic thing I've ever seen in an Asquith film.
The film's tough atmosphere must have originated with writer Donald Downes. Wikipedia: "The film was based on an original story by Downes. He was an important OSS officer involved in numerous operations during the war, according to histories of the era."
The lead, a young Canadian actor named Paul Massie (who FWIW ended up teaching acting at the Univ of Central Florida) is OK. The acting honors go to an actress previously unknown to me named Irene Worth, as Massie's French contact. Apparently she was an American who worked mostly on the British stage -- here she is extraordinarily affecting as a resistance agent who is trying to fight against a vicious enemy while retaining her humanity.
Orders To Kill went virtually unseen for decades, but is now available on DVD. If you look hard enough, it can also be streamed online (that's how I saw it). Anyone interested in war films should definitely check it out.
An American airman is dropped into occupied France to assassinate a resistance agent suspected of being a Nazi spy. But he learns that dropping bombs on anonymous specks below is a lot easier than killing a man one-on-one...
Orders To Kill was directed by Anthony Asquith (the son of a former British prime minister), who specialized in filming hit plays by veddy British, veddy genteel playwrights like Terence Rattigan. OTK is definitely the odd man out in his filmography. There is a montage sequence here that is by far the most cinematic thing I've ever seen in an Asquith film.
The film's tough atmosphere must have originated with writer Donald Downes. Wikipedia: "The film was based on an original story by Downes. He was an important OSS officer involved in numerous operations during the war, according to histories of the era."
The lead, a young Canadian actor named Paul Massie (who FWIW ended up teaching acting at the Univ of Central Florida) is OK. The acting honors go to an actress previously unknown to me named Irene Worth, as Massie's French contact. Apparently she was an American who worked mostly on the British stage -- here she is extraordinarily affecting as a resistance agent who is trying to fight against a vicious enemy while retaining her humanity.
Orders To Kill went virtually unseen for decades, but is now available on DVD. If you look hard enough, it can also be streamed online (that's how I saw it). Anyone interested in war films should definitely check it out.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 5:55 pm to STLhog
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Enemy at the Gates
Very underrated. Stalingrad was a dreadful and pivotal fight for the Reds. The movie's sets were incredible, the story was great and Rachel Weisz still won't drop my restraining order.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 6:07 pm to RollTide1987
Run silent run deep
Battle of the Bulge
Battle of the Bulge
Posted on 5/14/15 at 6:25 pm to goatmilker
Stalag 17 is one helluva great film about US prisoners of war held in a German prison camp. Directed by Billy Wilder and starring William Holden. Fantastic film. Must see.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 7:48 pm to REG861
I don't think it's boring, I think it possesses the wrong tone
Kubrick had it right, it's about 6 million people who are murdered not 600 who were not.
Life is beautiful, the guy sacrifices his life
Schindler's List, the guy sacrifices his fortune
A great movie to be sure, but not "essential" nor is it the definitive movie on the holocaust (there isn't one) yet it is treated as such
Kubrick had it right, it's about 6 million people who are murdered not 600 who were not.
Life is beautiful, the guy sacrifices his life
Schindler's List, the guy sacrifices his fortune
A great movie to be sure, but not "essential" nor is it the definitive movie on the holocaust (there isn't one) yet it is treated as such
Posted on 5/14/15 at 7:55 pm to DelU249
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Kubrick had it right, it's about 6 million people who are murdered not 600 who were not.
You can't tell the complete story of the Holocaust in one movie and do it justice. And if memory serves (and it does because I just watched this film again last night) there were mountains and mountains of dead people throughout the film. Schindler's List pulls no punches when it shows Germans killing Jews.
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Schindler's List, the guy sacrifices his fortune
He also risked his life. Had the SS found out what he was really up to he would have been killed. But never mind that.
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A great movie to be sure, but not "essential" nor is it the definitive movie on the holocaust (there isn't one) yet it is treated as such
If Schindler's List isn't an essential World War II film then there is no such thing as an essential World War II film.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:00 pm to RollTide1987
It is a great movie but you said absolutely necessary, or essential
Since the holocaust is a subject of its own and a heavyweight topic, and Schindler's list isn't the best movie made on the subject, not the second best either
I'm not saying it sucks or anything, not essential and definitely not the definitive movie it's made to be
And Spielberg is my favorite director
ETA: One other thing, i don't like viewing the holocaust through a non Jewish protagonist. The acting is wooden and i think there's a better weight to life is beautiful as the first act of the film is a romantic movie, so we see what is at stake, what is lost. just my take.
Since the holocaust is a subject of its own and a heavyweight topic, and Schindler's list isn't the best movie made on the subject, not the second best either
I'm not saying it sucks or anything, not essential and definitely not the definitive movie it's made to be
And Spielberg is my favorite director
ETA: One other thing, i don't like viewing the holocaust through a non Jewish protagonist. The acting is wooden and i think there's a better weight to life is beautiful as the first act of the film is a romantic movie, so we see what is at stake, what is lost. just my take.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:13 pm to DelU249
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It is a great movie but you said absolutely necessary, or essential
It is essential viewing. I don't know if you realize this, but the Holocaust was part of World War II. It doesn't happen without the Second World War.
And if it has to be the best movie on the subject then perhaps I should have only included a single WWII film on the list and been done with it?
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:13 pm to tigermeat
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Stalag 17 is one helluva great film
Ah! Excellent choice. Forgot that one. The movies that come from plays are always so tight and so well written.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:17 pm to RollTide1987
In Harm's Way
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:19 pm to Kafka
Good heads up.Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:20 pm to RollTide1987
I get all of that. Im saying what saving private Ryan is to d day, Schindler's list isn't to the holocaust. I'm telling you it isn't even the best holocaust film. It isn't the 2nd best, it isn't the third best.
Drop your academy goggles. The acting is stiff which doesn't go over so well in a black and white film. It's documentary like, there's a barrier or disconnect. You seem to think explicitly showing the murder of Jews is important (and it is) yet you can just ignore that it's done in black and white which minimalizes the impact and reality of it all.
It's a great movie, I own it, I watch it. I love Spielberg, but it's overrated.
Drop your academy goggles. The acting is stiff which doesn't go over so well in a black and white film. It's documentary like, there's a barrier or disconnect. You seem to think explicitly showing the murder of Jews is important (and it is) yet you can just ignore that it's done in black and white which minimalizes the impact and reality of it all.
It's a great movie, I own it, I watch it. I love Spielberg, but it's overrated.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:29 pm to RollTide1987
Interesting conversation. I don't think my opinion is some kind of sin or reflects a juvenile attitude
Pianist
Life is beautiful
Conspiracy - the hair on my arms stood up. This one really resonated. It was so horrifying and it was nothing more than a conference.
Schindler's list
All great movies. The interesting thing about films on the subject is that there is a sensibility requires beyond great film making. Just depending on how you process the horror of it all, the films resonate in different ways to people
Life is beautiful really nailed me because I didn't realize I was watching a movie about the holocaust. So when he closes that shed and you see the graffiti, right as the second act begins...there's just a sense of dread that comes over you. An emotional movie to watch even with the humor
Pianist
Life is beautiful
Conspiracy - the hair on my arms stood up. This one really resonated. It was so horrifying and it was nothing more than a conference.
Schindler's list
All great movies. The interesting thing about films on the subject is that there is a sensibility requires beyond great film making. Just depending on how you process the horror of it all, the films resonate in different ways to people
Life is beautiful really nailed me because I didn't realize I was watching a movie about the holocaust. So when he closes that shed and you see the graffiti, right as the second act begins...there's just a sense of dread that comes over you. An emotional movie to watch even with the humor
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 8:31 pm
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