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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E07 “Plan and Execution” Thread
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:05 am to Hot Carl
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:05 am to Hot Carl
Well, sounds like him and Lalo are about to have a big talk. He may tell him about everything that happened since they last saw each other.
Not sure if Lalo even knows nacho is dead.
Not sure if Lalo even knows nacho is dead.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:11 am to Ham Solo
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Wrong, they showed you in season 3 episode 1 that they have some type of contact.
Man, you need to really listen to some of the insider podcasts, especially 606. Vince specifically says one of the greatest compliments he gets is when people tell him he must have had it planned out from the very beginning. Because he hasn’t. They get off on writing themselves in corners and figuring shite out as they go and making things that didn’t mean anything at the time wind up meaning things. He specifically mentioned Aaron Paul/Jesse and Rhea Seahorn/Kim as not knowing what they had in the characters and the actors during the 1st seasons. Then shite grew organically, they realized what they could do, and they used what May have been meant to be throw away things at the time and add more significant meaning to it.
Kim may very well be running Ice Station Zebra and Associates during BB. (She won’t, but I’ll humor you. ) But that doesn’t mean they had that mapped out from as far back as when you figured it out. Gould talks about the same thing, figuring things out as they go. Hell, the 1st idea for this prequel was a half-hour sitcom.
And I’ve been meaning to say that the Kansas City Royals AAA team is in—-you guessed it—Omaha, Nebraska. No other pro teams in Nebraska, so no big surprise that the Royals would be well represented at a mall in Omaha. Now, her wearing that shirt in the finale meant something, but likely something they figured out after the fact.
Your thoughts aren’t terrible—some are even smart. But you’re an a-hole, so people, can’t wait to a shite on you when you’re wrong. Even though, I’ve been wrong about 10 times in this thread alone. Try a bit of humility and you might see better results in the communication with you. You could truly add valuable stuff if everybody wasn’t so conditioned to automatically tune you out. Or keep being an a-hole. We’re gonna enjoy these either way.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:14 am to SEClint
If I'm borrowing from Chuck, they've really muddied the waters on the Saul BB scene where he's scared of Lalo.
There's no way he should think Lalo is alive, but also blame Nacho for something underhanded.
At this point he knows zero about Nacho helping kill Lalo, Nacho's not coming back to tell him.
At some point he somehow has to learn that the cartel believes Nacho Killed Lalo, which almost certainly has to come from Mike, possibly via Kim.
There's no way he should think Lalo is alive, but also blame Nacho for something underhanded.
At this point he knows zero about Nacho helping kill Lalo, Nacho's not coming back to tell him.
At some point he somehow has to learn that the cartel believes Nacho Killed Lalo, which almost certainly has to come from Mike, possibly via Kim.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 1:29 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:21 am to Hot Carl
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Vince specifically says one of the greatest compliments he gets is when people tell him he must have had it planned out from the very beginning. Because he hasn’t.
I get bored of hearing this. Sure he didn’t have J+K etched in stone, he could have blown it up at anytime.
They had full series goals from the start, they just didn't commit until it was working.
I'm sure they didn't sit down and write a full 6 seasons, but they had J+K=S penciled in from episode 1 as long as it was working. Mark my words, and ridicule me later.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 1:23 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:25 am to Ham Solo
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You take the hint. I'm the one that's been posting about what's really going on.
Those of you that predicted Kim's death go start your own conspiracy thread and stay out of the main thread. You know who you are.
Fair is fair.
I gotta ask…
What in the actual frick is wrong with this dude?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:27 am to Ham Solo
quote:Lalo could leave his house, be killed by someone later in private and Jimmy is never told..being if Gus does it, that info doesn't need to get out.
If I'm borrowing from Chuck, they've really muddied the waters on the Saul BB scene where he's scared of Lalo.
quote:Lalo is kinda open. He is about to have a long talk with Jimmy. He may tell about his people being killed, a murder attempt, Germany etc.
There's no way he should think Lalo is alive, but also blame Nacho for something underhanded.
At this point he knows zero about Nacho helping kill Lalo, Nacho's not coming back to tell him.
quote:..you ok?
At some point he somehow has to learn that the cartel believes Nacho Killed Lalo, which almost certainly has to come from Mile, possibly via Kim.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:27 am to Ham Solo
Any person that's ever written a thing understands the main character needs a right hand man to express their feelings through dialog unless you want to drag in a narrator or hear Jimmy's inner thoughts.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:46 am to SEClint
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Lalo could leave his house, be killed by someone later in private and Jimmy is never told..being if Gus does it, that info doesn't need to get out
How did Jimmy spit out the exact thing the cartel believes to be true?
We used to think he conspired with Nacho, but Nacho won't give him answers.
Only 1 reason BB Saul thinks Lalo's alive.
1. Lalo tells Saul about Nacho then dies without Saul's knowledge.
Per Vince's ptsd scenario where Saul knows he's dead.
1. Saul set's him up for Mike to kill, Saul's told to blame Nacho if it comes up.
2. Mike kills Lalo, Saul's told via Mike or Kim to blame Nacho.
With the cousins running around it would make since that everyone says blame Nacho. Lalo would still be dangerous after death.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:00 am to WilliamTaylor21
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I gotta ask…
What in the actual frick is wrong with this dude?
Still waiting on a reasonable answer on why Gene is handling a KC Royals bag?
Care to take a Crack?
If you're going to tell me he picked up for sentimental reasons please explain all the diamonds he's in possession of.
Saul must be a real one man band.
You guys need to start you're own crackpot thread so we can discuss the show you're watching.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:00 am to Hot Carl
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Man, you need to really listen to some of the insider podcasts, especially 606. Vince specifically says one of the greatest compliments he gets is when people tell him he must have had it planned out from the very beginning. Because he hasn’t. They get off on writing themselves in corners and figuring shite out as they go and making things that didn’t mean anything at the time wind up meaning things. He specifically mentioned Aaron Paul/Jesse and Rhea Seahorn/Kim as not knowing what they had in the characters and the actors during the 1st seasons. Then shite grew organically, they realized what they could do, and they used what May have been meant to be throw away things at the time and add more significant meaning to it.
This is common knowledge to anyone that pays attention not named Ham Solo.
It was the same with BB as well.
Hell, any show over a number of seasons. Mad Men didn't plan to have Don come up with the Coke song at a hippy commune after 7 seasons.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 2:04 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:02 am to Ham Solo
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Still waiting on a reasonable answer on why Gene is handling a KC Royals bag?
Stupid frick.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:06 am to BuckyCheese
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This is common knowledge to anyone that pays attention not named Ham Solo.
If you believe professional writers are flying 100% by the seat of their pants knowing they have to meet up with BB, you're a complete fricking idiot.
When they say this They're talking episode to episode.
You don't produce this shite by completely winging it and anyone that thinks so is a complete moron.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:11 am to Ham Solo
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1. Lalo tells Saul about Nacho then dies without Saul's knowledge.
I think this is what happens, feel like the gun in the lab comes into play with it. Wouldn't be be surprised if Gus buries him under cement in the lab's foundation.
Gus was confident in telling Hector that the Salamanca name dies with him. What im wondering on this with Hector..is if he has mentioned to Leonel and Marco that their family is still alive. Those two would be solid guys to have in your pocket while doing what lalo is doing. Now, last Hector heard Lalo was going after Gus in an on the fly attempt to throw Gus off in that phone call.. If Lalo leaves, and is killed by Gus in private..im not sure Hector ever mentions he was actually alive to anyone. Being he now assumes Lalo went rogue against the cartel with no actual proof.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:18 am to SEClint
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I think this is what happens,
Could be, because he seems terrified, but even if he knows Lalo's dead the cousins could also create that reaction.
Whether he believes Lalo is dead or alive, the Nacho situation has to be told to him by:
1. Lalo
2. Mike
3. Kim, via Mike
Nacho's not talking. No way for Saul to spit that out on his own.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 2:19 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:21 am to Ham Solo
Holy shite, that was right up there with Ozymandias in terms of quality. The candle flicker as Lalo walks in is just perfection.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:24 am to BuckyCheese
As I recall, Gus/Mike know the guys that tried to hijack Lalo's bail were Bolsa's guys. Jimmy doesn't know this as he doesn't have any reason to, let alone know who Bolsa is.
Lalo will likely get out of Jimmy that Mike rescued him, which will connect Gus. Along with the fact Mike gave him info that made it possible for Lalo to get bailed out in the first place. Lalo is sharp, so he may figure out on his own who sent the men to take out Jimmy while also knowing Gus wanted him out of the US at a minimum.
The cleanup of the apartment with Howard's brains on the walls and floor is beyond Jimmy and Kim's capabilities, so Mike may be involved. Or, as a twist, Lalo may bring some people in to get rid of the evidence while allowing his lawyer(s) to live. No real idea right now. Obviously Jimmy isn't dead anytime soon.
Seeing someone killed right in front of her will have a serious effect on Kim. Especially knowing Howard was only there because of her actions.
It should be noted that only Tio, among the cartel, apparently knows Lalo is alive and he isn't telling anyone. In the video for Eladio it's made clear he doesn't know and Bolsa doesn't either. Gus/Mike didn't know 100% until the intercepted call to Tio.
Stream of consciousness. Time for bed.
Lalo will likely get out of Jimmy that Mike rescued him, which will connect Gus. Along with the fact Mike gave him info that made it possible for Lalo to get bailed out in the first place. Lalo is sharp, so he may figure out on his own who sent the men to take out Jimmy while also knowing Gus wanted him out of the US at a minimum.
The cleanup of the apartment with Howard's brains on the walls and floor is beyond Jimmy and Kim's capabilities, so Mike may be involved. Or, as a twist, Lalo may bring some people in to get rid of the evidence while allowing his lawyer(s) to live. No real idea right now. Obviously Jimmy isn't dead anytime soon.
Seeing someone killed right in front of her will have a serious effect on Kim. Especially knowing Howard was only there because of her actions.
It should be noted that only Tio, among the cartel, apparently knows Lalo is alive and he isn't telling anyone. In the video for Eladio it's made clear he doesn't know and Bolsa doesn't either. Gus/Mike didn't know 100% until the intercepted call to Tio.
Stream of consciousness. Time for bed.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:27 am to Ham Solo
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If you believe professional writers are flying 100% by the seat of their pants knowing they have to meet up with BB, you're a complete fricking idiot.
No shite they have to meet up with BB. That leaves a pretty wide open path to get there over 6 seasons and none of it guarantees your crackpot theories.
Frankly, FOAD you worthless frick.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 2:27 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:27 am to Ham Solo
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10-0 down votes and not a single asshat is willing to give me a rational explanation why Gene is handling a KC Royals bag.
10-0 down votes on this, yet nobody wants to touch it. About to go to bed so you guys sleep on it.
Just don't bring me Gene was being sentimental.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:28 am to Ham Solo
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because he seems terrified
Once he learns there is No Lalo..he is incredibly relieved. Whats funny is that someone still just abducted him, brought him out into the middle of nowhere at gunpoint and showed him a fresh empty unmarked grave..yet in this position, he's happy when he realises its not Lalo's orchestration. He seems to connect certain death with him.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:30 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:almost wish it would have went out..but, maybe thats a little too much lol
The candle flicker as Lalo walks in is just perfection.
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