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re: THR: Paapa Essiedu has been offered to play Severus Snape in HBO's Harry Potter adaptation

Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:54 pm to
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Dumbledore will be gay. Intersectionality is more important than storytelling.

how does Snape's skin color affect the storytelling at all? I mustve missed in the books where Snape hated certain races or was a member of the KKK or something
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:58 pm to
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I mustve missed in the books where Snape hated certain races or was a member of the KKK or something




If this is sarcasm - well done.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:00 pm to
are you saying Snape couldn't have been black because he hated mudbloods?

he obviously was lashing out when he called Lily that, as he was madly in love with her.

there were black death eaters, so nothing about Race prevented that
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 7:09 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:13 pm to
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are you saying Snape couldn't have been black because he hated mudbloods?



Oh, you were serious?

Absolutely not. I just think it funny that you missed the fact that Snape absolutely was a racist who hated men and women who were different from him based on attributes that they could not control and that they were born with (i.e. non-magical blood). And to lash out at those people, he joined an organization that wore black robes and hoods to hide their identities and strike fear in the hearts of their enemies (much like the KKK did in the Deep South).
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:22 pm to
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Snape absolutely was a racist

i saw nothing to suggest Snape hated anyone based off physical characteristics.

his dad was a muggle. he was in love with a muggleborn.

he joined the death eaters because he was bullied and wanted to feel power.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:27 pm to
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Snape absolutely was a racist who hated men and women who were different from him based on attributes that they could not control and that they were born with (i.e. non-magical blood). And to lash out at those people, he joined an organization that wore black robes and hoods to hide their identities and strike fear in the hearts of their enemies (much like the KKK did in the Deep South).


So you're saying that if Snape had been created in the past 5 years, this board would hate the character as written and complain that snape's creators were perpetuating their anti-white male agenda through his characterization.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:31 pm to
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i saw nothing to suggest Snape hated anyone based off physical characteristics.



You clearly are ignorant about the history of race and racism. Tell me...can you pick out the person that Hitler would have wanted killed in a concentration camp based on these two photos?





The answer should be obvious: both. One is a Slav and the other is a Jew.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 7:32 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:32 pm to
are you suggesting Snape wanted to kill Lily?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:32 pm to
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are you suggesting Snape wanted to kill Lily?



Did Amon Goeth want to kill Helen Hirsch?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:34 pm to
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Amon Goeth

I'm not sure, never met the guy. I know from going inside Snapes memories that he adored Lily.

I don't recall a single moment from the books where Snape discussed skin color to the effect where him being black or white would matter at all. we have black death eaters in the movies


This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:43 pm to
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I'm not sure, never met the guy.


He was an SS commandant who ruled over the Krakow-Plaszow concentration camp during the Second World War. He's better known as the main antagonist of the 1993 biopic Schindler's List. He's a brutal monster and psychopath who develops an infatuation for his Jewish house maid (Helen Hirsch). He lets her live and sends her off to work in Schindler's factory because he adored her and didn't want to see her killed in a death camp.

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I know from going inside Snapes memories that he adored Lily.


That's great. He adored her. It was an infatuation and yet he had no problem calling her a Mudblood in front of the whole school when she was trying to help him. The man was a selfish little shite who only turned double agent when he found out Lily was a direct target of Voldemort. He couldn't have cared less if James or Harry had died in that house, just so long as Lily lived.

And this belies the fact that he was part of an organization that terrorized Muggles and those who allied themselves with Muggles.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:44 pm to
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we have black death eaters in the movies


You're the one fixated on racism based on skin color, not me.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:46 pm to
the entire thread is about them casting a black guy as snape

i responded asking how it affected the storytelling

still waiting for you to provide an example of where his whiteness was a key part of his characters story arc
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:49 pm to
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the entire thread is about them casting a black guy as snape


And yet I responded to your comment about him not being a racist or part of the KKK when there are concepts such as Muggles, half-bloods, and pure bloods as well as organizations like the Death Eaters in the world Rowling created. These are themes that are allegorical to racism and racist organizations like the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan.

Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
26492 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:50 pm to
Why would they change his race to begin with?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:52 pm to
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I responded to your comment about him not being a racist or part of the KKK when there are concepts such as Muggles, half-bloods, and pure bloods as well as organizations like the Death Eaters in the world Rowling created. These are themes that are allegorical to racism and racist organizations like the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan.

you responded to my response to a comment that said changing things such as race and sexuality showed that they didn't care about the story.

thats how thread chains work.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Why would they change his race to begin with?

because they found an actor they wanted to play that role? If race was a key part of the character it wouldn't work, but since it isn't, they can choose whoever they want. Or maybe it is to help the viewer like the Velaryon's in HOTD. we won't know til the show is released
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69952 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:54 pm to
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you responded to my response to a comment that said changing things such as race and sexuality showed that they didn't care about the story.



I responded to your comment. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I mustve missed in the books where Snape hated certain races or was a member of the KKK or something


Snape hated certain races (Muggles) and was a member of something akin to the KKK (Death Eaters).




Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 8:00 pm to
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Snape hated certain races (Muggles)

the love of his life was a muggleborn. literally he made the ultimate sacrifice due to his love of a muggleborn.

he joined the death eaters because he was bullied, not because he was a racist. you should go watch his scenes again.

Noone was ever gonna match Alan Rickman, now at least they can go a different direction completely.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128116 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 8:09 pm to
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are you saying Snape couldn't have been black


He couldn’t have been black because he isn’t

The character is described in detail numerous times. He’s white.
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