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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:50 am to Polar Bear
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:50 am to Polar Bear
There were also a few confounding scenes in the film, at least for me.
The enraged zombie scene seemed completely out of place, and seemed to serve no narrative purpose whatsoever. Just an excuse for an action sequence.
Also, the cliched way in which the two scientists interacted with the snake like creatures in the chamber drove me crazy. They go from being highly cautious and timid, so much so that they left the expedition, to care free and fearless when they actually encounter an alien.
Other than that, I really enjoyed it.
The enraged zombie scene seemed completely out of place, and seemed to serve no narrative purpose whatsoever. Just an excuse for an action sequence.
Also, the cliched way in which the two scientists interacted with the snake like creatures in the chamber drove me crazy. They go from being highly cautious and timid, so much so that they left the expedition, to care free and fearless when they actually encounter an alien.
Other than that, I really enjoyed it.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 11:52 am
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:54 am to Polar Bear
I didn't understand the 100% DNA match ordeal. If that was the case they would have the same muscle size as us, or us them. This was clearly not the case. Thus there had to be SOME type of DNA difference right? Ha and I'm a bio major with minor in chemistry. Just doesn't add up.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 12:01 pm to markasaurus
Did the film explicitly mention a 100% match? I don't recall if it did.
Obviously, though, there would be some difference. We share a ~98% genomic match with chimpanzees. I imagine it was a similar match to the Engineer's genome.
Obviously, though, there would be some difference. We share a ~98% genomic match with chimpanzees. I imagine it was a similar match to the Engineer's genome.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 12:05 pm to Polar Bear
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The enraged zombie scene seemed completely out of place, and seemed to serve no narrative purpose whatsoever. Just an excuse for an action sequence.
I thought the same thing. I think it was to throw some action into the movie because most of us were probably expecting more action than the movie was providing.
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Also, the cliched way in which the two scientists interacted with the snake like creatures in the chamber drove me crazy. They go from being highly cautious and timid, so much so that they left the expedition, to care free and fearless when they actually encounter an alien.
Also very true, I hadn't thought of that.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 1:02 pm to GeauxUtes
The more and more I think about the film, the less and less I like it.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 2:10 pm to markasaurus
Did the film explicitly mention a 100% match? I don't recall if it did.
Obviously, though, there would be some difference. We share a ~98% genomic match with chimpanzees. I imagine it was a similar match to the Engineer's genome.
Obviously, though, there would be some difference. We share a ~98% genomic match with chimpanzees. I imagine it was a similar match to the Engineer's genome.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 2:28 pm to Polar Bear
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Did the film explicitly mention a 100% match?
Yes. Our DNA matched up perfectly with those of the engineer's.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 2:54 pm to markasaurus
Did the film explicitly mention a 100% match? I don't recall if it did.
Obviously, though, there would be some difference. We share a ~98% genomic match with chimpanzees. I imagine it was a similar match to the Engineer's genome.
Obviously, though, there would be some difference. We share a ~98% genomic match with chimpanzees. I imagine it was a similar match to the Engineer's genome.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 2:56 pm to Polar Bear
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The enraged zombie scene seemed completely out of place, and seemed to serve no narrative purpose whatsoever. Just an excuse for an action sequence.
Yeah this movie was really frustrating. I'm not sure it belongs in the pantheon with Alien 1-3 or not yet
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Anyone catch the Aliens homage when the guy yells out "David, WE ARE LEAVING!!!!" as the storm is approaching a la Hicks?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don't understand how the opening scene was showing the creation of humans. Explain please.
Also, those engineers were some jacked mofos. And Charlize is still smokin.
End my very astute observations from the movie.
Also, those engineers were some jacked mofos. And Charlize is still smokin.
End my very astute observations from the movie.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:35 pm to GeauxUtes
Nice discussion in this thread. I am probably the most devoted Alien/Aliens acolyte you will ever encounter. I have seen Alien/Aliens something on the order of two-hundred times apiece. I saw Alien 3 and Resurrection several times in the theaters, despite their somewhat dubious quality, and dozens of times since. I believe I own every version of the four movies ever offered for sale.
While Prometheus wasn't a perfect masterpiece, I found it to be extremely satisfying. It is a good movie. It features the sumptious visuals and audacious ideas that Ridley is renowned for. Moreover, it answered many of the tantalizing questions that have haunted me since I first witnessed the 1979 original. That being said, it also raises certain troubling additional queries:
(1) When the boarding crew from the Nostromo enters the Horseshoe Ship (my personal moniker) in Alien, they clearly find the Space Jockey fossilized in his pilot's chair. Dallas even comments that he "appears to have grown into his chair." The bones of the Space Jockey's ribcage are bent outward. Cane then descends into the hold beneath the bridge, where he discovers thousands of Alien eggs beneath a thin blue insulating film. At the end of Prometheus, the primitive Alien bursts forth from an Engineer who is located in the human escape pod, not an Engineer located in the pilot's chair of his own ship. Obviously, the Space Jockey in Alien is not the Engineer at the end of Prometheus, but some other member of the same race. Moreover, the xenomorph in Alien is more sophisticated (e.g. more developed telescoping jaw) than the raw anscestor at the end of Prometheus. What then, happens between the closing frames of Promethues and the opening hour of Alien? Do the Aliens continue to evolve on the planet/moon in Prometheus, infect yet another Engineer/Space Jockey who retreats to his pilot's chair before succumbing to the parasite within him, and then lay the eggs in the cargo hold? Is the Horseshoe Ship that crashes at the end of Prometheus the same Horseshoe explored in Alien? Does Prometheus even take place on the same planet/moon as Alien (the planet in Alien/Aliens was designated LV-426, I believe I saw a graphic in Prom designating that planet as LV-233)? If not, then how did the Horshoe Ship in Alien crash? Was it fleeing the disaster depicted in Promethues, only to have its pilot infected and ultimately crash land on LV-426? Or was it an entirely unrelated incident where once again the Engineers' biological weapons turned against them? Many questions pertaining to the actual link between the end of Promethues and the start of Alien.
(2) According to Prometheus, the Engineers/Space Jockeys were preparing to depart for Earth in order to destroy it when thinsg went awry. Per Shaw's carbon dating, the Engineers in the stone dome had been dead approximately 2000 years. Yet the cave glyphs on Earth had been "inviting" humanity to sojourn to the Prometheus system for at least 35,000 years. Why were the Engineers "inviting" humanity to what was apparently a weapons depot (or at least the system where a weapons depot was located) if they could have just demolished earth at any point in time, as they apparently intended to do? What's the purpose of the invitation?
In any event, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, despite the lingering enigmas.
While Prometheus wasn't a perfect masterpiece, I found it to be extremely satisfying. It is a good movie. It features the sumptious visuals and audacious ideas that Ridley is renowned for. Moreover, it answered many of the tantalizing questions that have haunted me since I first witnessed the 1979 original. That being said, it also raises certain troubling additional queries:
(1) When the boarding crew from the Nostromo enters the Horseshoe Ship (my personal moniker) in Alien, they clearly find the Space Jockey fossilized in his pilot's chair. Dallas even comments that he "appears to have grown into his chair." The bones of the Space Jockey's ribcage are bent outward. Cane then descends into the hold beneath the bridge, where he discovers thousands of Alien eggs beneath a thin blue insulating film. At the end of Prometheus, the primitive Alien bursts forth from an Engineer who is located in the human escape pod, not an Engineer located in the pilot's chair of his own ship. Obviously, the Space Jockey in Alien is not the Engineer at the end of Prometheus, but some other member of the same race. Moreover, the xenomorph in Alien is more sophisticated (e.g. more developed telescoping jaw) than the raw anscestor at the end of Prometheus. What then, happens between the closing frames of Promethues and the opening hour of Alien? Do the Aliens continue to evolve on the planet/moon in Prometheus, infect yet another Engineer/Space Jockey who retreats to his pilot's chair before succumbing to the parasite within him, and then lay the eggs in the cargo hold? Is the Horseshoe Ship that crashes at the end of Prometheus the same Horseshoe explored in Alien? Does Prometheus even take place on the same planet/moon as Alien (the planet in Alien/Aliens was designated LV-426, I believe I saw a graphic in Prom designating that planet as LV-233)? If not, then how did the Horshoe Ship in Alien crash? Was it fleeing the disaster depicted in Promethues, only to have its pilot infected and ultimately crash land on LV-426? Or was it an entirely unrelated incident where once again the Engineers' biological weapons turned against them? Many questions pertaining to the actual link between the end of Promethues and the start of Alien.
(2) According to Prometheus, the Engineers/Space Jockeys were preparing to depart for Earth in order to destroy it when thinsg went awry. Per Shaw's carbon dating, the Engineers in the stone dome had been dead approximately 2000 years. Yet the cave glyphs on Earth had been "inviting" humanity to sojourn to the Prometheus system for at least 35,000 years. Why were the Engineers "inviting" humanity to what was apparently a weapons depot (or at least the system where a weapons depot was located) if they could have just demolished earth at any point in time, as they apparently intended to do? What's the purpose of the invitation?
In any event, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, despite the lingering enigmas.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:37 pm to indytiger
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I don't understand how the opening scene was showing the creation of humans. Explain please.
At one point David says "sometimes you have to destroy in order to create." I think the Engineer drank the black stuff which killed him but then it shows the cells rebuilding after he falls off the waterfall. So those cells were supposed to be the beginning of life.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:37 pm to indytiger
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I don't understand how the opening scene was showing the creation of humans.
Not the direct creation of humans, but the "seeding" of Earth. There was a shot that specifically showed the disintegration and recombination of the Engineer's genomic material as he plunged down into the water.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:38 pm to GeauxUtes
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At one point David says "sometimes you have to destroy in order to create."
It's interesting how David, the created, ends up becoming a creator.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:42 pm to The312
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(2) According to Prometheus, the Engineers/Space Jockeys were preparing to depart for Earth in order to destroy it when thinsg went awry. Per Shaw's carbon dating, the Engineers in the stone dome had been dead approximately 2000 years. Yet the cave glyphs on Earth had been "inviting" humanity to sojourn to the Prometheus system for at least 35,000 years. Why were the Engineers "inviting" humanity to what was apparently a weapons depot (or at least the system where a weapons depot was located) if they could have just demolished earth at any point in time, as they apparently intended to do? What's the purpose of the invitation?
This!
This was one of our major questions after the movie. The invitation was extended (or however you want to out it) when the Engineers had good relations with ancient people on Earth. Why then invite the humans to the Engineers' own Area 51?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:43 pm to The312
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Yet the cave glyphs on Earth had been "inviting" humanity to sojourn to the Prometheus system for at least 35,000 years. Why were the Engineers "inviting" humanity to what was apparently a weapons depot (or at least the system where a weapons depot was located) if they could have just demolished earth at any point in time, as they apparently intended to do? What's the purpose of the invitation?
Perhaps it wasn't always a weapons depot, and instead functioned as their actual domicile for thousands of years. If they migrated and colonized other worlds, they probably wouldn't stop by Earth to update the paintings.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 4:06 pm to GeauxUtes
How do we really know it was an invitation? Could it be a misunderstanding and Shaw and her partner were simply wrong?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 4:14 pm to The312
quote:
When the boarding crew from the Nostromo enters the Horseshoe Ship (my personal moniker) in Alien, they clearly find the Space Jockey fossilized in his pilot's chair. Dallas even comments that he "appears to have grown into his chair." The bones of the Space Jockey's ribcage are bent outward. Cane then descends into the hold beneath the bridge, where he discovers thousands of Alien eggs beneath a thin blue insulating film. At the end of Prometheus, the primitive Alien bursts forth from an Engineer who is located in the human escape pod, not an Engineer located in the pilot's chair of his own ship. Obviously, the Space Jockey in Alien is not the Engineer at the end of Prometheus, but some other member of the same race. Moreover, the xenomorph in Alien is more sophisticated (e.g. more developed telescoping jaw) than the raw anscestor at the end of Prometheus. What then, happens between the closing frames of Promethues and the opening hour of Alien? Do the Aliens continue to evolve on the planet/moon in Prometheus, infect yet another Engineer/Space Jockey who retreats to his pilot's chair before succumbing to the parasite within him, and then lay the eggs in the cargo hold? Is the Horseshoe Ship that crashes at the end of Prometheus the same Horseshoe explored in Alien? Does Prometheus even take place on the same planet/moon as Alien (the planet in Alien/Aliens was designated LV-426, I believe I saw a graphic in Prom designating that planet as LV-233)? If not, then how did the Horshoe Ship in Alien crash? Was it fleeing the disaster depicted in Promethues, only to have its pilot infected and ultimately crash land on LV-426? Or was it an entirely unrelated incident where once again the Engineers' biological weapons turned against them? Many questions pertaining to the actual link between the end of Promethues and the start of Alien.
I had a lot of the same questions after coming out. I saw the same thing you did about the moon in Prometheus being labeled LV-223, I think, and remembering that the planet in Alien/s is LV-426. I kept expecting the Space Jockey after getting facehugged by the giant facehugger to go jump back on the horseshoe ship in his seat only to get his chest bursted by the xenomorph at the end.
I agree there's still a large gap between Prometheus and Alien. I wondered though if the xenomorph at the end might be an early stage of a queen alien and that's where the eggs came from.
My only problems with the movie: 1) the zombie guy scene. I felt the same way as others have said about it being a bit out of place. 2) At the end when Shaw and Vickers are running from the horseshoe, dumbass bitches quit running in the direction you did. Run perpendicular to the horseshoe rolling path and not parallel along with it.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 4:17 pm to Josh Fenderman
The Alien at the end was different because he came out of a space jockey, not a human.
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