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re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread

Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:42 am to
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:42 am to
This show is for entertainment. It isn't a documentary. I'd say they are doing a Damn good job of getting most of the facts right while providing terrific writing, acting and direction. That isn't always easy to do.

I thought this show was going to be terrible and only started watching it after hearing the good reviews on this board.

I think it's one of the best miniseries ever.
Posted by LSU2NO
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:31 pm to
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Yeah, that whole Bronco chase with the gun to his head really screamed "I'm just an innocent man grieving for the ex wife I used to beat like a rag doll!"


Did you watch the real O.J. chase and trial when it happened? I did. Everybody was speculating that he was making a run (slow) to the Mexican border. That was the most bizarre chase that I have ever seen. I had the most conflicting emotions watching that trial, seeing a childhood icon being put on trial for a horrible crime. I mean at first I was thinking, they were going to pull his Hertz endorsements before I realized how serious it was.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:59 pm to
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Think about from the view of people who weren't around for the trial or didn't follow it, read about it etc... This show is more than 20 years after the fact. From that point of view, it leaves a lot to be desired and is far from an accurate portrayal of what went on, the climate etc...


I was 4 when most of this was happening and I love this show.

I don't think you really have to circle the wagons about how crazy the media was because everyone has lived that, either in the OJ trail or more recently the Zimmerman trail.

This show could have be a complete fabrication of the case and i'd still love it cause of the acting.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:38 pm to
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I don't think you really have to circle the wagons about how crazy the media was because everyone has lived that, either in the OJ trail or more recently the Zimmerman trail.



I don't think it compares to Zimmerman much at all other than crowds around, but I think OJ's crowds were much bigger and the film of people in other areas of the US gathering for the verdict was pretty amazing.

Zimmerman was unknown. OJ was an icon since his college days. He was a hero to some people. He was well known and beloved. A Heisman winner. Going from there to a trial for the murder of two people was just bizarre. It was hard for many people to even imagine that he could have committed these crimes. He went from beloved by all to hated by so many. It was crazy.

That chase was nuts to watch. I remember sitting in my kitchen with a friend and we just had our chins on the counter in disbelief. If you didn't grow up knowing who OJ was etc..., you don't have the same feeling of WTH is going on here. Hard to explain, but it's just not the same. People who grew up after the trial just can't understand or comprehend it. They grew up thinking OJ was a murderer and horrible person from day 1. Now, he may have been, but that's not what the public knew at the time or all of those years before this happened. Black, white, Martian green....people loved the guy. This was a shocker in a huge way.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:47 pm to
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People who grew up after the trial just can't understand or comprehend it. They grew up thinking OJ was a murderer and horrible person from day 1.


that is true. OJ has been murderer and crazy person for my cognitive existence.


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I don't think it compares to Zimmerman much at all other than crowds around, but I think OJ's crowds were much bigger and the film of people in other areas of the US gathering for the verdict was pretty amazing.


My point with Zimmerman wasn't to compare the size of the trial but have a recent example of what a racial charged media frenzy looks like. Everyone has seen that story. I am glad the show hasn't focused on that aspect because we already know it.

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OJ was an icon since his college days. He was a hero to some people. He was well known and beloved. A Heisman winner. Going from there to a trial for the murder of two people was just bizarre. It was hard for many people to even imagine that he could have committed these crimes. He went from beloved by all to hated by so many. It was crazy


I do not know how they are could given you more of that feeling with out beating it to death.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:34 pm to
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I do not know how they are could given you more of that feeling with out beating it to death.


It's difficult to put into words, but watching this series and other shows about this case don't come close to the feeling at the time. It's simply not the same and it's not even close.
Posted by rsylve
Terrytown, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:49 pm to
Blood evidence. Says he didn't own the shoes that left the foot prints. Months later photos show up of him wearing them.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:33 pm to
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My point with Zimmerman wasn't to compare the size of the trial but have a recent example of what a racial charged media frenzy looks like. Everyone has seen that story. I am glad the show hasn't focused on that aspect because we already know it.



OJ was just to such a much higher extent than Zimmerman it is truly incomparable. It's like comparing the Gulf War with World War II. The whole nation really didn't give a damn about Trayvon and Zimmerman was clearly the scape goat of the year. We always have one.

OJ though, no one could believe what they were seeing. It was bizarre from top to bottom, and the twists and turns were truly shocking. Lets just put it this way: no one gives two shits about the prosecutors and defense teams of most trials these days. Every aspect of that trial was obsessed with, and no one has gotten that level of press before or since. Comparing it to Zimmerman is just really laughable.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 9:38 pm
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:14 pm to
I love the comments about people who asked otners about watching the trial live.The trial was UNBELIEVABLEY tedious and boring to watch.The freakin DNA portion of the trail alone was beyond anyone's comprehension when it came to watching a live trial.There's absolutely no sain person EVER that was "glued to the TV" for the entire length of the outcome.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:17 pm to
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I love the comments about people who asked otners about watching the trial live.The trial was UNBELIEVABLEY tedious and boring to watch.The freakin DNA portion of the trail alone was beyond anyone's comprehension when it came to watching a live trial.There's absolutely no sain person EVER that was "glued to the TV" for the entire length of the outcome.



The trial went on for 9 damn months and was heavily watered down. It was a total circus. The high points though, holy shite, couldn't be believed, as the show puts it well. It was fricking insane.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115483 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:19 pm to
Lance Ito was a train wreck.

He should have gagged everyone and refused to allow cameras in the courtroom.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:20 pm to
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He should have gagged everyone and refused to allow cameras in the courtroom.



He should have unsheathed a harakiri knife and killed himself as soon as the verdict was read.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28287 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:28 pm to
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the high points


Yes,no doubt there were explosive moments but few and far between and the best way to catch up with the trial every evening was with nightline or whichever outlet that carried the new.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39420 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:54 pm to
This thread should never have been about the real trial - considering it is just a TV show and most seem to have grown up assuming things and then watching more entertainment as fact.

I assumed most commenting had watch the real trial and not just basing their opinions on the TV show.

And so, it's sort of turned into a quasi commentary about the real trial while just using Saved by the Bell TV facts.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:23 am to
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I love the comments about people who asked otners about watching the trial live.The trial was UNBELIEVABLEY tedious and boring to watch.The freakin DNA portion of the trail alone was beyond anyone's comprehension when it came to watching a live trial.There's absolutely no sain person EVER that was "glued to the TV" for the entire length of the outcome.


You're so wrong. I watched every moment of the trial including the DNA portion. While it could get boring, the details of DNA were still young. I was and am sane. The trial was fascinating from start to finish to me even the slow parts.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 9:31 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40361 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 8:15 am to
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OJ was just to such a much higher extent than Zimmerman it is truly incomparable


OJ was the birth of the Zimmerman/Casey Anthony/ext. style trail.

My only point is I am glad the show isn't about that aspect because it someway we all already know it.

This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 8:16 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28287 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 9:26 am to
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You're so wrong


Wouldn't be the first time and didn't mean to insult.
Sorry,was just difficult to watch for me most of the time.

Like I said I stayed pretty informed with some of the daily updates.

There are others on this thread that did the same and I'm pretty suprised at the "facts" they (not you) present in OJ's defense.Most are nothing more than defense theories and talking points.And some of their trial recollections are flat out incorrect.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:53 pm to
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Object to the defense's question.


Object on what grounds?

It was as direct as a question can be. Fuhrman jammed himself up.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39420 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:36 pm to
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d I'm pretty suprised at the "facts" they (not you) present in OJ's defense.Most are nothing more than defense theories


Well, what do you think the prosecution's facts are?

Both sides attempt to prove a theory.

The State isn't some damn Gospel just because they put forth their theory.

I find it amazing in this day and age (after we've been fully privy to the scandals, lies, incompetence, some not very smart people (ala Nancy Grace in Atlanta) and inner-workings of criminal prosecution for years) that people still view what the State says, as if it's The Truth and Gospel and the defense is just trying to lie.

The State isn't always right, their theories are often wrong and worse, maliciously wrong -

The State is just a bunch of average lawyers making little pay...usually their theories are often terrible short-sighted, wrong and promoted just to close a case as quickly as possible so they can punch out and get drunk.

The defense had a higher IQ by far than the State - as is usual...which is why defense costs $$$ and State just rolls out the latest law school grad greenhorn.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 2:40 pm
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 4/1/16 at 4:11 pm to
When I die and arrive at the Pearly Gates, I'm going to ask a few questions.

Did Oswald act alone and did OJ do it?
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