re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread

There wasn't a large quantity of blood anywhere but from the victims at the scene as I recall. Little dots in some places and that's all. Very odd because there wasn't time for OJ to do a big clean up job.

So Fuhrman planted the bloody glove before anyone had gotten a blood sample from OJ?

And Fuhrman et el planted all this incriminating blood evidence because...why? Because he/they was an evil racist who hated the universally-popular OJ so much that he'd risk his career and even prison to frame him?

I think, worst case scenario, they planted some of the blood evidence to try and shore up the case after it was clear OJ did it from the timeline, his statements, etc., but there's more than enough other evidence there that points to his guilt.

I have no idea what Fuhrman did.

I'm just looking at the evidence...(and I watched the entire trial) and seeing if the show is getting it right by comments.

But to your point...so...OJ drops one glove at the crime, carries one home and throws it behind his house?

But disposes of his apparently blood soaked clothes that nobody ever found...despite looking at airport trash repositories and trash bins along the way to the airport...and the areas around his hotel in Chicago...and O'Hare?

The one thing that always got me during the trial live was the prosecution claiming mountain of evidence...and then what they produce is so tiny...pin-pricks, dog barking, timelines, DNA from Ron and Nicole in OJ's car...and as we've seen from the Avery case, this DNA was not only mishandled - it was minuscule to begin with...and Scheck did a great job in explaining it. Little unnatural dabs.

You talk to any forensic expert and look at the crime scene photos...whoever did that, would have to be drenched in blood themselves.

So OJ is drenched in blood, drives home, changes clothes, disposes of all bloody clothes but two socks just laying in the middle of the bedroom perfectly center of room (look, here I am!) and then throws a bloody glove out his window...and hops a flight to Chicago?

The most blood they ever found was on the glove...and OJ drives home with it apparently on...and his blood soaked clothes...but there's almost no blood in the Bronco? And leaves the glove at his house but the clothes disappear into ether?

So Kato cleaned the Bronco for free rent while OJ was in Chicago?

The blood, blood, blood never made any sense...people think the prosecution messed up with Fung (and they did) but the prosecution's lack of blood - given their narrow timeline from crime to fleeing to Chicago - was more obvious in derailing the prosecution.

I mean, OJ was fast...but...he wasn't Houdini. I just don't see how someone commits that crime and hops in their car and leaves almost no trace in their car.

I can go to the beach or walk in the woods and the car needs an instant cleaning.

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mizzoubuckeyeiowa

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In addition to all you said, the limo driver basically says he was standing at the front of his limo at the gate about 30 or 40 yards from where the bronco wasn't, according to him, until he left with oj, then saw it. He also says a man appearing to be oj passed in front of him, inside the compound like 10 minutes before he came out.

So, OJ hover-crafted the bronco into its spot on the front end of the property, walked several hundred feet to the back of the property went through the neighbor's yard/gate, jumped the fence behind his own guesthouse, at the one spot you couldn't (at the air conditioner) dropped the one bloody glove (that didn't fit) bumped his way down the long end of the guesthouse to arrive in the back yard (near the fountain) approached the back door and discovered he didn't have his key. Not remembering where he left the spare (which his daughter said was there as always) he trekked back behind the guesthouse, jumped the fence again (heard again by kato, though he said there was some time between the occurrences) went back through the neighbor's yard/fence back up the street to the front of the property, apparently now noticing the limo driver he jumps the fence again, this time at the front of the property and scurries past the driver, into the house and in less than 10 minutes showers and removes the blood from the pipes, disintegrates the clothing (save the two socks) gets dressed and calmly walks outside to cordially meet the limo driver.

Yea, no. There were PROBLEMS with the state's case, to say the least.

Who did it then? Clearly the LAPD fricked up, but I still think there was more than enough evidence to convict him.

Let's see here...

Overall, you're depicting OJ and his actions as calm and collected and with plenty of time for clear thought and perspective. This was a rage killing and if he did it he undoubtedly would have (and did) make mistakes.

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OJ drops one glove at the crime, carries one home and throws it behind his house?

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Yes. People drop things, especially in the aftermath of a rage killing, in a hurry to leave the scene and in the dark. And not that he "throws" the one behind his house but dropped it sneaking back in.

The clothes. I have no idea why it seems hard to fathom dropping a bag in any trash can basically anywhere between his house and the airport. How soon after the murder were these "trash bins along the way to the airport" searched?

The Bronco. "Drenched"? Kind of. But it's not like he went swimming in it. It's not a stretch to conclude that he probably didn't have much if any blood on his back and rear. Plus if he was smart he was probably wearing sweats of something similar that he stripped off before getting in the Bronco along with the gloves, one of which he dropped in the rush and didn't notice because he was dealing with the also dark colored sweats. Gets in the Bronco only getting a little bit of blood because he's taken off his sweats and gloves. Wasn't there a bloody shoe print in the bronco? Gets home fumbling in the dark (the noise that Kato heard) drops the other glove going in. Cleans up finishes securing the clothes and done.

Socks? Yeah I got nothing there.

Mishandling blood evidence. Of course. Interestingly, with present DNA tech the blood sample from OJ wouldn't have even been needed, which would have precluded a lot of the problems.

I'm loving the slow realization for Kardashian that OJ did that shite

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Then why does everyone who has ever known OJ think he's guilty?

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I don't know and don't care what other people think. I watched, followed and to the degree possible, at the time, I did my homework.

I didn't know about Jasons history (violent/unstable) at the time, or that NBS stood him up that night, nor did I know OJ hired him an attorney less than 18 hours after the murders.

Had I known that then he'd have been my prime suspect.

No matter, at the time I didn’t think OJ did it but I was sure he knew who did and I thought it possible that he was there but not the killer.

Therory - Jason goes to confront her walks up on her and RG, takes it for something it's not, goes after Goldman who was a black belt and repeatedly punched the shite out of someone, knifes him/kills him as NBS watches in terror, he then kills her and as he's freaking out over what he did he calls his dad.

Dad comes, oh my god.... meet me at home. He goes home, limo driver is there. He jumps fence in front, passes limo driver into house getting the few specs of blood found entering the house from his shoe. That also explains the miniscule amount of blood in the bronco.

Jason comes up the street from the other direction, enters through the neighbors yard, jumps fence, drops glove, disturbs kato.

Dad let's him in. Tells him he has to leave for Chicago. Go home, change clothes, take lose bloody clothes and knife and don't talk to anybody. OJ leaves. Shortly after Jason leaves, disturbs Kato.

Not realizing the cops are focused on him he contacts attorney the next morning to represent Jason.

Cops arrest OJ, he falls on his sword but knows they don't have the mountain of evidence they proclaim.

He never "looks for the killer" because he knows. He's toxic because he's dirty and everyone thinks he did it.

Jason did it, Daddy took the wrap.

Still a scumbag, btw.

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I don't know and don't care what other people think.

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Well, I think you should when OJ's closest friends think he's guilty. They know the man better than any of us do. My ex-boss said he was joking about her dying for a few months before she was killed and people started getting weirded out by him because of that, especially due to the beatings they knew about. That's a very, very telling sign.

And seriously, look up AC's testimony for the civil trial. I feel bad for that man really. He is clearly heart broken over Nicole's death and how he couldn't save her. He feels like he's responsible for her death. I think Robert thought the same thing, and on top of that, he let her murderer walk free. Both AC and Robert did not react well to OJ walking free, and that should tell anyone with any common sense who did it.