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The French Plantaion Scene

Posted on 8/31/19 at 10:54 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/31/19 at 10:54 pm
I don't think it's a bad scene. Au contraire, I think it's very well done. it just doesn't match the rest of the movie.

However, I think it gives a clue on what Willard does after he kills Kurtz. The woman was the only person who truly understood him. I think he returned to her. What they did together, who knows. but I think he returned to her.

Of course, that assumes the whole scene was not a dream.
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 8/31/19 at 10:58 pm to
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The French Plantaion Scene

I don't think it's a bad scene. Au contraire, I think it's very well done. it just doesn't match the rest of the movie.

However, I think it gives a clue on what Willard does after he kills Kurtz. The woman was the only person who truly understood him. I think he returned to her. What they did together, who knows. but I think he returned to her.

Of course, that assumes the whole scene was not a dream.



Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95589 posts
Posted on 8/31/19 at 11:07 pm to
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I don't think it's a bad scene.


People don't like it because, as great as the movie is (and - full disclosure, I prefer the Redux to the Theatrical and am looking forward to "The Final Cut" or whatever FFC has in store for us), the "extra" Bunny scenes and French Plantation both serve as quite extended breaks and interfere with the pacing of the film.

Of course, the Theatrical was always jarring to me because the ending was so abrupt - no real context. Effective as a psychological pairing with Willard, but it's like missing an entire act of a play, "WTF has happened here?"

So, the extras put back in Redux provide a tremendous amount of context, how we got to that point and why. This whole allegory of everyone going about individual lives, but having to use the same road (or river).

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I think he returned to her.



I respect everyone's interpretation of something like this, but it makes no sense. Willard killed Kurtz and replaced him as the head of the cult. That's as obvious as it gets. Kurtz was Willard a few years before. He made that same journey and ended up in the same place. The crux of it is - the movie took the Heart of Darkness story, moved it to Vietnam and tweaked it to make it represent America's journey from the 1950s through the 1960s (whereas the original Heart of Darkness was an allegory about Europe's experience in the colonization of Africa).

Surely you can see that, right?
This post was edited on 8/31/19 at 11:24 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/31/19 at 11:19 pm to
I see it. However, he saw America as no longer having a place for him. What you wrote is logical. However, I think she held out something for him, someone who understood what he'd been through and who could give him what he needed, something no American woman couldn't.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
27322 posts
Posted on 8/31/19 at 11:56 pm to
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don't think it's a bad scene. Au contraire, I think it's very well done. it just doesn't match the rest of the movie.


These are exactly my sentiments as well. It does not match the rest of the film and I completely understand why it was cut originally, but honestly, the entire plantation scene reminds me so much of The Godfather and feels like something out of those films, it's why I love it.

It hasn't such an heir of prestige and why I think of as clsssic Coppola. It also expands on Willard and his character, but, again, the film is really just about them on the boat, slowly going insane, deeper and deeper into the jungle, and getting to Kurtz (aka Heart of Darkness) not western politics in Indochina.
This post was edited on 8/31/19 at 11:57 pm
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