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re: Star Wars: Episode VII': Release set for December 18, 2015
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
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I read a lot of the EU, I didn't read the Vong stuff though, although I knew what happens. It just isn't relevant. It doesn't matter. It won't be used. And to say a team of writers that are professional moviemakers can't come up with a better story than the EU in the 2+ years they've had to develop this based on Lucas' long in gestation notes is just the height of retardation.
I just don't know how much clearer you can be to them. I'm not saying the EU sucks as a whole or anything, I'm just saying there's no way in hell they are going to use it and certain parts of it certainly blow. They may take an element or two from it, but they're not going to give a flying shite if it contradicts what happened in the EU, especially if it is terrible, like Palpatine being resurrected and Luke becoming his apprentice just for starters.
It's not going to happen, but you may as well be speaking Korean to these guys. They simply don't understand that 99% of Star Wars fans don't give a frick about the EU and that the filmmakers can make a better story and won't care about contradicting the EU. Hell, I doubt Lucas has a clue on what has gone on in the EU.
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Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:22 am to Murray
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This is why I'm still not sure if Liberty is trolling or not.
Not trolling but like I said Lucas himself included Shadows as canon see the Outrider and Black Sun being cameo'd in the newest additions of the OT. So even by loosest definition that part of the EU is canon. I agree not all of the EU is canon but just like Disney can't erase Marvel's past (they can do their own versions) they can't erase Star Wars and in particular Shadows and NJO standout because they were approved by Lucasfilm and George Lucas (in fact with both Lucas wrote the treatments).
Disney probably won't use the Vong its just they should. If they aren't going to stick to the established canon they are better off completely rebooting the series I would actually be in favor of that. Or exploring the distant past/future of the galaxy.
This post was edited on 11/8/13 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:26 am to Libertyabides71
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If they aren't going to stick to the established canon
They are.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:26 am to Murray
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This is why I'm still not sure if Liberty is trolling or not.
He's not alone. People who love the EU just can't grasp it mentally that no one really considers that stuff canon and that an artist is not going to really let shite some fat lard wrote 20 years ago stand in the way of the story they want to tell.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:27 am to Libertyabides71
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just like Disney can't erase Marvel's past (they can do their own versions) they can't erase Star Wars and in particular Shadows and NJO
Apples and Oranges Liberty.
It's cool man. I believe you're not trolling. You are a very very determined EU fan. I have to give you that.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:29 am to Fun Bunch
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They are.
then Shadows, the Zahn Novels, and NJO are canon because they unlike a lot of the EU were directly commissioned by Lucasfilm. Its like I just said with Marvel. They can do their own versions and I wish they would actually. That adds to the best thing about Star Wars ie The Power of Myth. What makes the OT great is that is a timeless story because the characters are all mythical archetypes.
Case in point Lucas himself directly wrote the basic treatment/story bible for the NJO. Do you think it directly contradicts the treatments he wrote for 7/8/9 that they are using? Possibly but why would he have two completely different story treatments to tell basically the same story? People tend to treat the EU as fan fiction and some of it is. But the EU has different levels, when its stuff directly commissioned by Lucasfilm with action figures, video games, cameo's in movies I'm pretty sure that means its canon.
This post was edited on 11/8/13 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:31 am to Libertyabides71
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Libertyabides71
You're going to keep this up until the day of the release, right? Then I guess your head is going to explode once you finally fathom no one is going to give a shite about the EU and they plow through it without a care in the world.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:35 am to OMLandshark
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You're going to keep this up until the day of the release, right? Then I guess your head is going to explode once you finally fathom no one is going to give a shite about the EU and they plow through it without a care in the world.
Again you are treating the EU as a single entity which it isn't. Things directly commissioned by Lucasfilm/developed by Lucas aren't likely to be discarded.
More than likely they will "remix" it.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:38 am to Libertyabides71
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then Shadows, the Zahn Novels, and NJO are canon
They aren't. I've read that stuff. I liked it back then. Its not canon.
The only stuff that is canon is the stuff directly in the films. Sure, Lucas may have thrown nods to fans from the EU in his movies, but it will NOT AFFECT THE STORY OF THESE FILMS. At all.
99.999999999999999% of the world has not read a Star Wars novel and never will. However most of the world has seen Star Wars movies.
These will be original stories that only use the OT and PT as canon. That is an absolute fact.
Michael Arndt and Kasden and Abrams didn't all of a sudden forget how to adapt screenplays (well, maybe Abrams did).
I'm sorry but these are facts.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:38 am to Libertyabides71
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Again you are treating the EU as a single entity which it isn't. Things directly commissioned by Lucasfilm/developed by Lucas aren't likely to be discarded.
There will not be a single plot point of the EU that is preserved. Their may be a reference or homage, but that's it. You just can't grasp that 99.99% of the people who are going to be watching this are not going to know or really care about things that happened in the EU.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:39 am to Libertyabides71
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Things directly commissioned by Lucasfilm/developed by Lucas aren't likely to be discarded.
They are being discarded. Completely.
You MIGHT get some elements incorporated in, but the EU is dead, directly commmissioned by Lucasfilm or not, it is not canon.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
I admire the naivete, I really do.
This is a business. Disney could NOT GIVE TWO frickS about the fans, or the EU. And neither does a studio guy (and egomaniac) like Abrams.
They are going to try and make the movie that A) Makes them the most money and b) is the best film they can make.
The only thing that will be canon will be the movies, for a bunch of reasons. They need to avoid confusion, keep things simple. etc. Its basic moviemaking.
This is a business. Disney could NOT GIVE TWO frickS about the fans, or the EU. And neither does a studio guy (and egomaniac) like Abrams.
They are going to try and make the movie that A) Makes them the most money and b) is the best film they can make.
The only thing that will be canon will be the movies, for a bunch of reasons. They need to avoid confusion, keep things simple. etc. Its basic moviemaking.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:41 am to OMLandshark
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He's not alone. People who love the EU just can't grasp it mentally that no one really considers that stuff canon and that an artist is not going to really let shite some fat lard wrote 20 years ago stand in the way of the story they want to tell.
The problem is that the EU is massive: VERY massive. It includes books, comics, video games, and even the shitty Christmas special. You are going to see a huge backlash if major parts of the EU get retconned.
There are some stories in the EU that truly are amazing (like the Yuzan Vong). There are also some parts that are weaker (I didn't know about Palpatine getting resurrected
). I agree that the writers won't let the EU stand in their way, but it wouldn't surprise me if they DID incorporate at least some of the better aspects of the EU.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:45 am to LordSaintly
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You are going to see a huge backlash if major parts of the EU get retconned.
Nah.
A) The only people that care about that stuff are a VERY small portion. I've read a lot of EU and could not give a frick if they retconn.
B) Disney is out to make more money. Nerds will show up in droves NO MATTER WHAT.
C) Guess what happens if they completely abandon EU and do a whole new story? All new EU Gets written and they create a whole new library of books for nerds to buy. $$$$$$$$$$
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:50 am to Fun Bunch
All this drastic overanalysis suggest to me that no matter how great this movie experience might be, it has no chance to suceed among some of you.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:53 am to Purple Spoon
My expectations are so low, and my passion for this type of scifi/ Star Wars has faded so much, I'll be fine.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:54 am to Fun Bunch
like Fun just said it can't be any worse than the prequel trilogy
Posted on 11/8/13 at 10:56 am to Libertyabides71
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like Fun just said it can't be any worse than the prequel trilogy
Well...it can be.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:47 pm to Fun Bunch
I know people have been dead set against it being EU but that was over a year ago (and before it was put on hold and brought back) when Abrams made that statement. Just pointing out the more I read about these casting sides the more they appear to be Jaina Solo, Jagged Fel, and Kyp Durron.
Like I've said before they likely will take what they want to from the EU but why come up with certain characters that Lucasfilm already created/commissioned? The movies will be made like the prequel trilogy probably. Their own story that uses EU elements/themes/characters but if it conflicts the movies take precedence.
After all a lot of the mythology of star wars that has been seen in the movies was the creation of the EU writers such as Coruscant or Wes Janson. Lucas could have wiped it all away but he chose not to. If he commissioned the NJO don't you think it would fit with his general view of 7/8/9 since they are working from his treatments?
Like I've said before they likely will take what they want to from the EU but why come up with certain characters that Lucasfilm already created/commissioned? The movies will be made like the prequel trilogy probably. Their own story that uses EU elements/themes/characters but if it conflicts the movies take precedence.
After all a lot of the mythology of star wars that has been seen in the movies was the creation of the EU writers such as Coruscant or Wes Janson. Lucas could have wiped it all away but he chose not to. If he commissioned the NJO don't you think it would fit with his general view of 7/8/9 since they are working from his treatments?
This post was edited on 11/13/13 at 10:55 pm
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