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Rewatching Justice League on HBO...
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:15 pm
...because there's not a lot going on.
Anyway, I find myself wanting to like it more than I do, and despite sometimes wanting to hate it.
The start is awful- funny-looking Superman mouth, then we get the incredibly pathos "everybody knows" intro song. Ok you've set the tone, I'll just go off myself in the bathroom now.
Why SO miserable a tone to set? We get it, Superman is dead; but we live in a world that's never had him (or Batman, Wonder Woman, or the rest) and we're doing ok. So my first impressions are that I may just go outside and cut the grass instead of watching this over.
Getting outside that intro, the rest is spotty.
I actually like the new heroes, and wish we'd have had films to introduce them.
Aquaman is a rowdy, hard-drinking dude who avoids the spotlight. Wants nothing of either publicity or recognition, instead would hang out in a rough bar and share a couple drinks with the anonymous hard-working poor folk he helps. Actually was putting up a good fight against Steppenwolf one-on-one: his last bit he threw his trident into him and knocked him down, prompting the villain to start a monologue. In the right setting I think he'd have taken him. I kinda get a Conan-like anti-hero take on him, there's no talk of hope and love. Just "I'm gonna kick your arse, because you messed with me".
BTW, I loved Mera/Amber Heard, and the whole Atlantean suggestion. That could be fun.
Cyborg was also good, I enjoyed the parts where he was just behind the scenes devouring the internet and all things tech. I guess prior to this film, he just wanders around with a hoodie anonymously, but if there's a wifi hotspot, he's actually controlling everything. I get the impression he doesn't physically fight much (if at all) prior to this film... but he might be doing some high tech ghost shite.
Flash- I know the TV show established a version, but I like this one too. Got a similar vibe to the latest MCU Spiderman, but a little older. Geeky nerd, runs around fast, "pushing people and running away" as he says it. I like the fact that he's alone, and not the Cisco squad running with him.
Steppenwolf, on the other hand- just bad. It's like he wandered off the set of a Power Rangers episode and into this movie. Couldn't they give him a deeper, more menacing voice? Couldn't they put some malice into his tone? Hell, couldn't they spend a little time designing things like his helmet, so it doesn't LOOK like paper mache'? And make him more formidable- heck, I think the Witch chick in Suicide Squad (who was doing about the same things btw) could take him.
Along those lines, the terraforming scene (is all DCU now going to be terraforming threats?), I suppose the graphics were better than a first-gen Nintendo. Maybe on par with a Playstation 1, definitely not matching XBox levels of detail. I mean, purple tentacle-vines weaving around... couldn't they refine that more? I guess judging from Superman's mouth in the beginning, there weren't high standards demanded from the effects crew.
Where the movie really suffered, is in the obvious comparison to Marvel. It doesn't match up to the first Avengers film (mostly due to lack of backstory on the other heroes, due to their not having prior films), and doesn't have the same visual impact.
That would be bad enough, but the fact that Infinity War is now the new standard, it's hugely lacking. I get that Infinity War is a later development storywise, but the films are hitting the market about the same time.
There's some potential in DC, but we need to see better efforts. The villains need to be more impressive, and we need something other than another terraforming attempt.
Anyway, I find myself wanting to like it more than I do, and despite sometimes wanting to hate it.
The start is awful- funny-looking Superman mouth, then we get the incredibly pathos "everybody knows" intro song. Ok you've set the tone, I'll just go off myself in the bathroom now.
Why SO miserable a tone to set? We get it, Superman is dead; but we live in a world that's never had him (or Batman, Wonder Woman, or the rest) and we're doing ok. So my first impressions are that I may just go outside and cut the grass instead of watching this over.
Getting outside that intro, the rest is spotty.
I actually like the new heroes, and wish we'd have had films to introduce them.
Aquaman is a rowdy, hard-drinking dude who avoids the spotlight. Wants nothing of either publicity or recognition, instead would hang out in a rough bar and share a couple drinks with the anonymous hard-working poor folk he helps. Actually was putting up a good fight against Steppenwolf one-on-one: his last bit he threw his trident into him and knocked him down, prompting the villain to start a monologue. In the right setting I think he'd have taken him. I kinda get a Conan-like anti-hero take on him, there's no talk of hope and love. Just "I'm gonna kick your arse, because you messed with me".
BTW, I loved Mera/Amber Heard, and the whole Atlantean suggestion. That could be fun.
Cyborg was also good, I enjoyed the parts where he was just behind the scenes devouring the internet and all things tech. I guess prior to this film, he just wanders around with a hoodie anonymously, but if there's a wifi hotspot, he's actually controlling everything. I get the impression he doesn't physically fight much (if at all) prior to this film... but he might be doing some high tech ghost shite.
Flash- I know the TV show established a version, but I like this one too. Got a similar vibe to the latest MCU Spiderman, but a little older. Geeky nerd, runs around fast, "pushing people and running away" as he says it. I like the fact that he's alone, and not the Cisco squad running with him.
Steppenwolf, on the other hand- just bad. It's like he wandered off the set of a Power Rangers episode and into this movie. Couldn't they give him a deeper, more menacing voice? Couldn't they put some malice into his tone? Hell, couldn't they spend a little time designing things like his helmet, so it doesn't LOOK like paper mache'? And make him more formidable- heck, I think the Witch chick in Suicide Squad (who was doing about the same things btw) could take him.
Along those lines, the terraforming scene (is all DCU now going to be terraforming threats?), I suppose the graphics were better than a first-gen Nintendo. Maybe on par with a Playstation 1, definitely not matching XBox levels of detail. I mean, purple tentacle-vines weaving around... couldn't they refine that more? I guess judging from Superman's mouth in the beginning, there weren't high standards demanded from the effects crew.
Where the movie really suffered, is in the obvious comparison to Marvel. It doesn't match up to the first Avengers film (mostly due to lack of backstory on the other heroes, due to their not having prior films), and doesn't have the same visual impact.
That would be bad enough, but the fact that Infinity War is now the new standard, it's hugely lacking. I get that Infinity War is a later development storywise, but the films are hitting the market about the same time.
There's some potential in DC, but we need to see better efforts. The villains need to be more impressive, and we need something other than another terraforming attempt.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:21 pm to Scoob
This movie had a lot of potential and DC should have followed the Marvel formula and did the stand alones first. MOS wasn't perfect, but it was a good start. They panicked with Batman. DOJ should have been the last movie before JL.
And the motherfrickers at Warner that didn't agree to pay to let Cavill shave his fricking moustache should be publicly executed.
And the motherfrickers at Warner that didn't agree to pay to let Cavill shave his fricking moustache should be publicly executed.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:37 pm to udtiger
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DC should have followed the Marvel formula
Please God. Make it stop.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:38 pm to udtiger
I would have much preferred they let Zack Snyder finish up his trilogy. It couldn't have been worse than the Frankenmovie we got with Whedon's additions. I think the thing that was most jarring about it was the Danny Elfman score and the not-so-funny light moments from Whedon. The edited versions online with Zimmer and JunkieXL really make a difference. The score took me out of everything I liked about MOS. The tone was too dark in BVS and they really did Superman a disservice in it as well. BVS took his character and itself way too seriously, but the band aid they tried to put on Justice League was horrible.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:41 pm to Scoob
I tried to get into it and about 15 minutes in, I cut it off.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:50 pm to Scoob
I would put it in the very middle of the pack in the DCEU. Not as good as Wonder Woman and only slightly worse than Man of Steel, but far better than BvS and Suicide Squad
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:05 pm to udtiger
quote:Even after BvS, you still had the success of WW. So I would have followed that with Aquaman, give us the wild man and Atlantis. Make it more of a "guy flick" than Wonder Woman, have him be a dude that likes to wreck shite, but is ultimately not a bad guy.
This movie had a lot of potential and DC should have followed the Marvel formula and did the stand alones first. MOS wasn't perfect, but it was a good start. They panicked with Batman. DOJ should have been the last movie before JL.
Then have a techno-thriller with Cyborg. Again, a lone wolf who doesn't get recognition, maybe who the NSA tries to track. They sniff him but can't pin him down.
Follow with Flash, with a goofy vibe- part Ant-Man, part Spiderman. And again, anonymous.
THEN, do a Batman (some don't like Batfleck, but I do, and I really like this Alfred). Although the rest of the world doesn't know of the others, HE is (world's greatest detective, remember?); but that's just incidental to his story. He's fighting the Leto Joker, and gradually becomes aware of the parademons feeding in the background while he and Joker go at it.
Eventually, he's faced with the decision to pursue one or the other. He perceives the Joker as "merely an organized crime figure", while he thinks the parademons are a threat to humanity. So he takes the Joker down, but not out; and starts exploring the parademons.
Maybe- the outside threat starts to emerge before he can build an airtight criminal case against Joker to lock him up for good, and he's forced to either kill him, or try to scare him off. He regrets killing in his past, so he does the latter.
That's when he starts with the preparations to create the JL, leading us into the JL movie.
And we can close the Batman film with a Joker scene, where's it's apparent Batman gravely underestimated just what he is. Mr J is laying low and licking his wounds, but he's now a lot more aware of what Batman is capable of and how to deal with it, and with a smirking "you should have killed me when you had the chance" attitude, and knowing that's where he has the advantage. Which leads us into the classic ongoing B vs J stories.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:17 pm to lsutigersFTW
Aquaman has potential. His 'take care of the little folk' attitude, and his tied-to-the-sea area, can bring him directly into conflict with international cartels. If he's feeding the villagers with fish, he probably doesn't like the drug trade (would seem to affect the same class of people), and most smuggling would have to go over water. So he catches them before the Coast Guard does, and more brutally.
And likely, Mera and the Atlanteans would view his actions as pointless, saying the land dwellers, especially the poor folk he seems to hang out with, are beneath what he should be doing. "You should be here taking your duties as our king, not wasting your time with a bunch of worthless fishermen. Landies are worthless to begin with, and these aren't even the important ones".
And likely, Mera and the Atlanteans would view his actions as pointless, saying the land dwellers, especially the poor folk he seems to hang out with, are beneath what he should be doing. "You should be here taking your duties as our king, not wasting your time with a bunch of worthless fishermen. Landies are worthless to begin with, and these aren't even the important ones".
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