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re: Official Better Call Saul Season 3 Episode 5: Chicanery

Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by Cow Drogo
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:44 pm to
IMO slippin jimmy can't resist coming back into the fold and he crashes and burns into prison
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:48 pm to
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Why does it bother you so much


It doesn't, but it is a bit annoying that he constantly posts about it in every thread about this show.

quote:

a theory that you don't agree with?


I think saying its a "theory I don't agree with" implies it even has an inkling of credibility.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:03 pm to
I'm actually starting to think that BCS will have, if not an actual happy ending, at least a somewhat optimistic one.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:03 pm to
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doubt we see much more of Gene. Saul must have called the guy who makes people disappear and that's how Gene came to be. He is living out the rest of his days in hiding. Doing his meaningless job and staying hidden. That's why he hesitated when the cops dragged the shoplifter away earlier in the season. But he couldn't help himself but to tell the kid to get a lawyer.


Saul may not know yet, or the timeline may not be caught up yet to when walter goes back to Albuquerque to eliminate all of the threats.

Only people that can really ID Saul as being any part of anything are skyler and Jesse. Hank and Gomez can't. Plus they never told anyone about the case. So his involvement with walter may be relatively unknown in detail to law enforcement.

Maybe when gene reads a paper or watches the news and sees walter white is gone, the man who he is most afraid of..he may breathe a sigh of relief.

And his future actions may reflect that. We saw gene be defiant in the face of law. The 1 thing he shouldn't be doing during this time. nothing makes it on screen by accident with Vince.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:08 pm to
Yep. I've speculated in other threads that, once Walter White is gone, there's nothing really stopping Jimmy from simply returning and picking up his old life.

In real life, there would probably be some complications but in TV land, even one as relatively gritty as Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, they could pull it off.

Jesse is really the only loose end but seeing as how he's probably the most wanted man in America with a possible shoot on sight order against him, potentially burning Saul is the least of his concerns.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:16 pm to
Saul was the lawyer for one of the biggest manufacturers of meth in the world. There is going to be a money trail that ties him to that.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49480 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:17 pm to
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Jesse is really the only loose end but seeing as how he's probably the most wanted man in America with a possible shoot on sight order against him, potentially burning Saul is the least of his concerns.


Or Jesse turns himself in after running for so long. Lifestyle weighs on him..being in a jail and having a routine..wood working in a shop..it would maybe be better in his opinion. So, he faces what he has to.

And in doing so, He would need a good lawyer.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:21 pm to
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Saul was the lawyer for one of the biggest manufacturers of meth in the world. There is going to be a money trail that ties him to that.


Walter and Gus kept receipts? Where is the money to trail?

Plus..where is proof Saul took money? He was Walter's attorney and there is attourney/client privilege.
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 1:21 pm to
Here is an interesting quote from Rhea Seehorn.( Kim Wexler)

quote:

Is there anything specific you hope for the next season?

I didn't know anything about season two in advance, and that was pretty amazing. I just hope I get to keep telling this story. I love Kim. I love her flaws and I love her heroic traits, and I love that they let me play her unapologetically. It's interesting, as a woman: This shouldn't be an anomaly, but it is onscreen. I just want to keep going. Now, whether her moral compass will shift, I don't know. I've been asked, like, "Do you hope she breaks bad?" or whatever. [Laughs] I don't know! Fans feel strongly one way or another. But I don't know where it's going either.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
11642 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:00 pm to
It's not a fake identity. In BB he showed Walter White his JD and it was from the same university with the name Saul Goodman on it. Hence, he got a legal name change and petitioned the university to issue him a new JD. The question is why did he file a petition to change his name legally?
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:02 pm to
He laundered money for Walt and Jessie. There is going to be a trail. The money doesn't just disappear. It is impossible to completely erase the money trails. The money laundering doesn't completely erase any trails or signs of illegality. It just keeps people from being suspicious and investigating. If they already have a reason to investigate then they will find the trail.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49480 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:42 pm to
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He laundered money for Walt and Jessie. There is going to be a trail. The money doesn't just disappear. It is impossible to completely erase the money trails. The money laundering doesn't completely erase any trails or signs of illegality. It just keeps people from being suspicious and investigating. If they already have a reason to investigate then they will find the trail.


I saw him do it too..but tell me how it can be proven in court. What are the specific things he can be nailed on? And who would testify?..and why would they?

After Skyler and Jr get the money, no way they stay in New Mexico. They would want a fresh start. No more dealing with this. Only people who know huell was involved are corpses. Etc.

Not trying to say you're wrong, I'd just like to speculate and hypothetical on how Saul could come back after an "extended and much needed vacation".
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:52 pm to
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And who would testify?


Francesca knows a lot and she is still around. She probably has far more info than Huell since she was with him from the beginning.
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:57 pm to
Skyler would have told them everything at the end of BB. It doesn't matter if she moves later. If they catch Saul she will be subpoenaed to testify against him.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49480 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 2:58 pm to
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Francesca knows a lot and she is still around. She probably has far more info than Huell since she was with him from the beginning.


Francesca knows things, but..she's always stuck by Saul. She's a good worker and has people skills, she could have found another job in Albuquerque. For some reason she is still with Saul deep into season 4.

Seems like she also owns the door walter broke, so maybe she's more than just a Secretary by that time. Feels like there is some mutual loyalty there. I don't think she would turn on him. If she hasn't been implicated..why would she possibly incriminate herself and hurt what may be a person she may actually care about.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:02 pm to
But what about Skyler. She already spilled the beans. They know everything that Skyler had info on which is Saul laundering meth money.

If Saul is caught she will have to testify and can sink Saul.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49480 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:02 pm to
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Skyler would have told them everything at the end of BB. It doesn't matter if she moves later. If they catch Saul she will be subpoenaed to testify against him.


We don't know what she told them. Hell, from a producer and writer's POV,..it could possibly be a way for Anna Gunn to cameo. lol
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49480 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:04 pm to
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If Saul is caught she will have to testify and can sink Saul.


She could..but why would she? Saul never threatened her, she's got money, a fresh start and walter/Jack's crew/Lydia are all gone. He didn't have anything to do with Hanks death.

Would be cool to see her come in and clear gene.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 3:06 pm
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:06 pm to
I'm just saying there's no way Saul walks back into Albuquerque and doesn't immediately get handcuffs slapped on him.
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 5/10/17 at 3:14 pm to
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She could..but why would she?


The feds aren't dumb. If she cut a deal and told them everything that deal would also be contingent on her testifying in court. If she doesn't it would be revoked and she could be prosecuted.

I'm not saying Saul can't work his magic and get himself off. In fact that would be really fun to watch. I'm just saying that until a jury says not guilty, Saul's status should be considered in hot fricking water.
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